Favre should have retired

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Favre should have retired

Grave Digger · Head Dick

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA not Hall of Fame material? There has been alot of dumb stuff said on this board, mostly NFC North division rival trash talk, but this has got to be the DUMBEST thing I have read on this board. One of the dumbest things quite possibly I have ever read.

Forget all the crapola about being a loner or him being grossly overrated, him not being HOF material is one big pile of sh1t.

What exactly has he done to NOT deserve the HOF?

Played too long? Montana tried to hang on as long as he could after he left the Niners. Jerry Rice played 20 years in the league. I'll admit, it was painful to see a great one like Rice be the 3rd in Oakland and Seattle. Let me read off some names of guys who have played as many years as Favre (16): Dan Marino (16), Warren Moon (16), Fran Tarkenton (17), Johnny Unitas (17), George Blanda (24), and Len Dawson (18). You know what all those names have in common, they are all in the NFL HOF. That argument is completely retarded. Try again loser.

Too many INTs you say? Ever hear of a guy named George Blanda (277 INTs)? Fran Tarkenton (266 INTs)? Obviously not. Those two guys are 1st and 3rd respectively on the all time, career INT list. You know what else those two have in common, they're in the NFL HOF. INTs don't mean sh1t, retard. Favre isn't even in the top 3, having only 255. There goes that stupid argument.

So what's your argument? I want to hear a real, solid answer. Not just some sh1tty, "He's poopy and I don't like him..."

Don't even mention his record. Most 3000+ yard seasons, Longest pass (shared), most seasons leading the league in TDs (shared). Not to mention he is #2 on 8 different records. 4 of those #2 records he will almost certainly break this year.

Don't even talk about his 221 consecutive games started. Jim Marshall is the only other guy, not a kicker, that has had that many consecutive starts. For a QB that is incredible.

Don't even talk about his THREE (3) NFL MVPs. God knows how many times he has been player of the week and player of the month. There's also his SB win.

Eh but enough with these pesky facts. He's not worth it. Get a clue retard.

-- Edited by Grave Digger at 12:09, 2006-08-09

User Name · Head Dick

you don't have any room to talk about anyone else's dumb posting.

and after your insults, you don't deserve a reply.

Crazy Ahmed · Half A Man

But... you.... just replied?

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

No doubt Farve should have retired, but he will get into the HOF based on GB and QB bias if nothing else. For that much he is probably a first ballot lock.

In years past Farve could take people by surprise because nobody thought he was insane enough to throw half the passes he did, but later in the years people realized he really is that crazy, then it just became a "cherry pick" for the opposing D.

If he had hung them up 2 years ago he might have been remembered as one of the greatest to ever play, but these last few seasons will severly tarnish that.

Grave Digger · Head Dick

User Name wrote:

you don't have any room to talk about anyone else's dumb posting.

and after your insults, you don't deserve a reply.

You want insults? Get into an argument with GoBears. He makes my post look clean.

But seriously, I want to hear your grand argument as to why Brett Favre is not HOF material? If you make rediculous statements like that, you better be able to back it up.

-- Edited by Grave Digger at 12:07, 2006-08-09

-- Edited by Grave Digger at 12:10, 2006-08-09

saturn11 · Head Dick

GraveDigger,

you needs you some anger management classes in the worst way, homeboy.

relax. while you're in denial about just how far your boy brett FAV-ruh has slipped over the past few years, you're right that he IS first ballot HoF material. I really believe that. i'm not being sarcastic.

but man, the way you supported your argument cracked me up: ONLY 255 int's? not even top 5 all time? what is he, then? 6? It's 255 and counting. Good thing you're not his agent.

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

Still it is 100% the fault of the Green Bay coaching staff if they don't start pulling Farve the minute they are out of the playoff picture. They need to get Aaron Rodgers some reps so he can mature into the QB they need him to be.

By letting Farve start after the "point of no return" they are hurting the team's future chances to stroke the ego of it's past glory. It is basically suicide by loyalty.

Right now Farve is Green Bay's best chance to win. As soon as it is evident that the playoffs are not in the cards.... you HAVE to let the kid start taking his lumps.

If Farve is going to play until he is 140 years old and he is going to throw 100 picks a season that is great.... just let him do it somewhere else before he kills the team.

Grave Digger · Head Dick

I don't need anger management, it's just a dumb argument. It just made me mad that someone could think a great NFL player like Brett Favre doesn't deserve the HOF. He has done alot for the sport and the Green Bay Packers.

He doesn't complain about his contract, he doesn't bad mouth other players (I don't count him commenting on Javon Walkers crapola). He doesn't create locker room problems. His big retirment talk was nothing more than media hype. So the guy took his time to make a life changing decision. If his worst quality is that he likes to mess with the media, then he's pretty clean. He's been the class of the league for years.

He lost his father and his brother-in-law and his wife was diagnosed with breast cancer all in the same year. Did he complain and take time off and leave his team...no. He played the night after his father died. If that's not dedication to his team and his sport then I don't know what is. He has earned everything he has gotten.

-- Edited by Grave Digger at 12:48, 2006-08-09

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

Your right, but he has also "earned" the bench if he does not return to his old form pretty quickly.

saturn11 · Head Dick

JetBlackNinja wrote:

Your right, but he has also "earned" the bench if he does not return to his old form pretty quickly.

Zing!

lost in iowa · Head Dick

No ...gravedigger is right.....Farve has been a great competitor and player over the years, and any team would have been happy to have him in his prime, but Ali was also the greatest boxer of all time.....but I can whip his old azz now any time I wanted to try. They aren't trying to take away from his past, but they are saying his present performance is starting to take away from the mystique.

It is a two way street...if a guy wants to get the pats on the back for good performance he must expect kicks in the azz when it isn't. Lately it hasn't been up to par

-- Edited by lost in iowa at 16:38, 2006-08-09

Grave Digger · Head Dick

lost in iowa wrote:

No ...gravedigger is right.....Farve has been a great competitor and player over the years, and any team would have been happy to have him in his prime, but Ali was also the greatest boxer of all time.....but I can whip his old azz now any time I wanted to try. They aren't trying to take away from his past, but they are saying his present performance is starting to take away from the mystique.

It is a two way street...if a guy wants to get the pats on the back for good performance he must expect kicks in the azz when it isn't. Lately it hasn't been up to par

-- Edited by lost in iowa at 16:38, 2006-08-09

Thats one of the major critisizms of the prior Packer coaching regime is that they didn't call Brett on his mistakes. Holmgren would come down hard on Brett when he screwed up. He almost benched him several times. At one point, Brett was almost benched completely in favor of Mark Brunell. Sherman would never call Brett on his mistakes. He didn't have the balls to reign him in. Favre has gotten away with alot of sh1t since Sherman took over in '99. 7 years of doing what he wants with little to no structure.

Physically, he hasn't lost much. His passes are still breaking fingers and he is still making great plays. He hasn't had the weapons lately that he did over the years.

phole · Head Dick

as someone whose 2 favorite teams are the vikes and whoever is playing the pack, i have nothing but respect for farve. i get to see him play at least twice a year, usually more. he is one of the greatest. but i don't know who has done him more harm, the coaching staff or madden.people have gotten sick over maddens crotch sniffing of farve and that may have made us be more critical of his play. just sayin'...

lost in iowa · Head Dick

good point phole.....the madden crotch sniffing has went overboard.

BillSwerski · Kick Asser

Grave Digger wrote:

lost in iowa wrote:

No ...gravedigger is right.....Farve has been a great competitor and player over the years, and any team would have been happy to have him in his prime, but Ali was also the greatest boxer of all time.....but I can whip his old azz now any time I wanted to try. They aren't trying to take away from his past, but they are saying his present performance is starting to take away from the mystique.

It is a two way street...if a guy wants to get the pats on the back for good performance he must expect kicks in the azz when it isn't. Lately it hasn't been up to par

-- Edited by lost in iowa at 16:38, 2006-08-09

Thats one of the major critisizms of the prior Packer coaching regime is that they didn't call Brett on his mistakes. Holmgren would come down hard on Brett when he screwed up. He almost benched him several times. At one point, Brett was almost benched completely in favor of Mark Brunell. Sherman would never call Brett on his mistakes. He didn't have the balls to reign him in. Favre has gotten away with alot of sh1t since Sherman took over in '99. 7 years of doing what he wants with little to no structure.

Physically, he hasn't lost much. His passes are still breaking fingers and he is still making great plays. He hasn't had the weapons lately that he did over the years.

Whoa. Hold on a second. You say physically he hasn't lost much? Did you not watcht he last 2 seasons? He's getting dinged up and can't throw the pill with nearly as much accuracy as in years past. I've not seen that many lame ducks thrown since Kordell Stewart was on the Bears. He certainly doesn't have the weapons near him, or on him. He's getting old. It happens. And it's usually pretty sudden for NFL players.

I do think he's a shoe in for the HOF. I just still think he's over-rated. he seems to get more plove than Elway, Staubach, Bradshaw, Young, and others. John Madden has a monopoly on public opnion, and his mouth is squarely on Favres lower extremities.

Favre's a great competitor, a winner, and a leader. But that has virtually now all paseed him by. And slinging up ducks doesn't make it look better.

I think more respect will come his way once he reitres. How he's played with the media, fans and teammates could cost him a first ballot. And if he continues to push for the pick record, all that can factor in having him wait a year to get in. His play on a bad team is definitley tarnishing his reputation. But, it's certainly good enough to get in for certain.

Grave Digger · Head Dick

BillSwerski wrote:

Whoa. Hold on a second. You say physically he hasn't lost much? Did you not watcht he last 2 seasons? He's getting dinged up and can't throw the pill with nearly as much accuracy as in years past. I've not seen that many lame ducks thrown since Kordell Stewart was on the Bears. He certainly doesn't have the weapons near him, or on him. He's getting old. It happens. And it's usually pretty sudden for NFL players.
I do think he's a shoe in for the HOF. I just still think he's over-rated. he seems to get more plove than Elway, Staubach, Bradshaw, Young, and others. John Madden has a monopoly on public opnion, and his mouth is squarely on Favres lower extremities.

Favre's a great competitor, a winner, and a leader. But that has virtually now all paseed him by. And slinging up ducks doesn't make it look better.

I think more respect will come his way once he reitres. How he's played with the media, fans and teammates could cost him a first ballot. And if he continues to push for the pick record, all that can factor in having him wait a year to get in. His play on a bad team is definitley tarnishing his reputation.    But, it's certainly good enough to get in for certain.

I've watched him since he was So. Miss. I've seen every Packer practice this year and I saw every single one last year. Trust me, he hasn't lost anything on his passes. He is still breaking fingers. He throws lame duck passes not because he can't throw anything esle, it's out of frustration. All his weapons were injured last season and many were injured the year before. Before that, Mike Sherman did a terrible job getting him any weapons at all. In his prime he had 2 great TEs, a trio of good recievers, and two good RBs. He could depend on all those guys. Now, he can't depend on anyone to help him.

His "playing" with the media won't cost him anything. So he strung out his retirment decision...big deal. It's not like the Packers were going to be without a QB if he had retired. He is a first ballot hall of famer. He will get in on the first try.

BillSwerski · Kick Asser

Grave Digger wrote:

BillSwerski wrote:

Whoa. Hold on a second. You say physically he hasn't lost much? Did you not watcht he last 2 seasons? He's getting dinged up and can't throw the pill with nearly as much accuracy as in years past. I've not seen that many lame ducks thrown since Kordell Stewart was on the Bears. He certainly doesn't have the weapons near him, or on him. He's getting old. It happens. And it's usually pretty sudden for NFL players.
I do think he's a shoe in for the HOF. I just still think he's over-rated. he seems to get more plove than Elway, Staubach, Bradshaw, Young, and others. John Madden has a monopoly on public opnion, and his mouth is squarely on Favres lower extremities.

Favre's a great competitor, a winner, and a leader. But that has virtually now all paseed him by. And slinging up ducks doesn't make it look better.

I think more respect will come his way once he reitres. How he's played with the media, fans and teammates could cost him a first ballot. And if he continues to push for the pick record, all that can factor in having him wait a year to get in. His play on a bad team is definitley tarnishing his reputation.    But, it's certainly good enough to get in for certain.

I've watched him since he was So. Miss. I've seen every Packer practice this year and I saw every single one last year. Trust me, he hasn't lost anything on his passes. He is still breaking fingers. He throws lame duck passes not because he can't throw anything esle, it's out of frustration. All his weapons were injured last season and many were injured the year before. Before that, Mike Sherman did a terrible job getting him any weapons at all. In his prime he had 2 great TEs, a trio of good recievers, and two good RBs. He could depend on all those guys. Now, he can't depend on anyone to help him.

His "playing" with the media won't cost him anything. So he strung out his retirment decision...big deal. It's not like the Packers were going to be without a QB if he had retired. He is a first ballot hall of famer. He will get in on the first try.

I hate to say it, but I think you're drinking too much kool-aid. I'm definitely impressed with your keeping up with Mr. Favre, but he's not the same anymore. You can tell me how good he's doing in practice, but that's the key. It's practice. The preformances I've seen over the last 2 years against NFL teams and not proactice squads have been not so good. You can place blame on the team, as it is a team game. But to not place any blame on Favre is not right. He deserves some blame, no?

You are probably right, no matter what games and BS he pulls with potentially retiring, the love that is out there for him will surely get him in as a first ballot. I'm sure even another dismal year with many interceptions will not hurt his chances either.

User Name · Head Dick

i think most people recognize it's his decision making and mental skills that have declined for him.

he said himself, he has the most talented team now than he ever has... good, now that he stated it, he has no excuses not to win a super bowl this year, right?

Grave Digger · Head Dick

BillSwerski wrote:

I hate to say it, but I think you're drinking too much kool-aid. I'm definitely impressed with your keeping up with Mr. Favre, but he's not the same anymore. You can tell me how good he's doing in practice, but that's the key. It's practice. The preformances I've seen over the last 2 years against NFL teams and not proactice squads have been not so good. You can place blame on the team, as it is a team game. But to not place any blame on Favre is not right. He deserves some blame, no?
You are probably right, no matter what games and BS he pulls with potentially retiring, the love that is out there for him will surely get him in as a first ballot. I'm sure even another dismal year with many interceptions will not hurt his chances either.

I wasn't commenting on great plays he's made in practice or his QB rating in practice, I was talking about how fast his passes are and what a cannon he still has. You said, physically, he has lost alot. I have seen with my own eyes that he has not lost anything on his passes. He can still fit passes in places not many QBs could. As I said, his passes are still breaking fingers. It takes alot of force to break a WR's finger.

I don't place all the blame on the team and not Brett. Brett is alot of the problem. I think he is very very strong willed and very very stubborn, and if he doesn't think he can depend on the WR, he is going to force it to them anyway. It's part stubborness but the bigger part is his desire to win. If he doesn't think the team is doing enough to win, he is going to try and carry the team on his back. He wants to win, I don't blame him for that, but I think his reasoning is stupid.

I place alot of the blame on Mike Sherman. He screwed the team more than non-cheeseheads know. He drafted Robert Ferguson while Chris Chambers was still on the board. He drafted Jamal Reynolds...enough said. If Favre had had Chris Chambers, the Packers and Brett Favre would be better off. Mike Sherman's playcalling was horrible...just horrible. Didn't know what the he11 he was doing.

User Name · Head Dick

throwing passes that receivers can't catch, doesn't make you a hall of famer..

well, in his case it might. i guess if defensive backs are catching the passes, that makes it a reception eh?

Grave Digger · Head Dick

User Name wrote:

throwing passes that receivers can't catch, doesn't make you a hall of famer..

well, in his case it might. i guess if defensive backs are catching the passes, that makes it a reception eh?

Favre makes very good throws through 90% of the game. It's the critical times at the end of the 2nd and the end of the 4th when he makes his bad throws. He tries to do too much.

If his recievers can't catch his passes, then where did the NFL Record 4 3000+ yd. seasons come from? He threw them to himself? Actually that reminds me of a interesting tidbit that most good Packer fans know. Brett Favre's first pass as a Packer...was to himself. He caught a pass that was tipped and caught it himself.

schlosser · Half A Man

Favre makes crazy errors. Favres time has passed. Favres probably scared to retire because being the Packers QB is what defines him. And granted, the arse kissing is annoying.

So what. He's been so much fun to watch over the years, and out of the so called marquee players is probably the most recognisable to foreign NFL fans over the last ten years. Admit it, most people would watch a game because Favre was playing in it (Unless the Browns were playing on another channel).

-- Edited by schlosser at 18:42, 2006-08-10