Bret Favre

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

Bret Favre

lost in iowa · Head Dick

well...he's closing in on the INT record......he's thrown 10 INTs and no TDs in the last 4 games vs the Bears....I hope he keeps playing....LOL

Grave Digger · Head Dick

A wanabe great? I suppose the other records he holds don't count towards anything. The guy has worked his a$$ off for 14 years for the Packers and finally reaches a point in his career where he can leave his mark, and you want him to step down? He was a large part of their 2 SB runs and their division titles.

He's earned opportunity to break some records. Get a life and quit ragging on one of the best players in modern football.

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

Hey look everyone...Look there, there is the mark that Brett Favre left on field today

Vanni9283 · Head Dick

HA! Yes, I sure would agree with the fact that he played like absolute garbage today!!!

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

Grave Digger,

Would you rather see Favre break records or see your beloved Pack progress as a team...I dont know about you, but I prefer winning to watching an old wannabe, yes, wannabe great, try to break records...By the way, Favre shat his pants worse than that...still hilarious!

hark44 · Kick Asser

i want to hear what 1 packer fan has to say... i mean after tearing apart the bears several times a day until now... and no posts?

-- Edited by hark44 at 03:50, 2006-09-11

BillSwerski · Kick Asser

hark44 wrote:

i want to hear what 1 packer fan has to say... i mean after tearing apart the bears several times a day until now... and no posts?

-- Edited by hark44 at 03:50, 2006-09-11

Agreed! Oddly enough, he's nowhere to be seen.

Grave Digger · Head Dick

Burgh1979 wrote:

Grave Digger,

Would you rather see Favre break records or see your beloved Pack progress as a team...I dont know about you, but I prefer winning to watching an old wannabe, yes, wannabe great, try to break records...By the way, Favre shat his pants worse than that...still hilarious!

The team is probably not going to do much better than 6-10, so yeah, I would rather see the rookies get some PT and Favre break records. He deserves it.

How the fuk is he a wannabe great? He's been loyal to his team for 15 years and hasn't held out or begged for more money. He's set records and is on pace for about 4 more. How does that not qualify him to be great? There are guys I'm sure you consider to be great that havn't done half of what Brett has. Like it or not, Brett has been one of the most dominant QBs to play in modern football.

saturn11 · Head Dick

no question that favre's gonna make it to the hall.

but memories are short. recent seasons have tarnished the memory of favre when he was on top of his game.

i know that taking a dive for strahan soured alot of people on him around here (philly), me included. I mean come on!!!

in my book, he's not a 'wannabe great' but, he really SHOULDA hung it up.... it's so sad to see the great ones go out the way he is....

Grave Digger · Head Dick

saturn11 wrote:

i know that taking a dive for strahan soured alot of people on him around here (philly), me included. I mean come on!!!

I know what you mean, at the time I was furious. I let it go because 1) Strahan and Favre are well known golfing buddies, and I'm sure Favre wanted it to be on him and 2) it really didn't affect the game. As I recall (my memory of that game is a little rusty) the Packers gained the yards back but punted later. Giants won 14-7.

Strahan needed like .5 a sack to tie and 1 to beat the record. Strahan is a great player and had worked hard that season to earn that record. If he needed like 3 more and Favre handed him 3 sacks I would still be pissed, but I think he was doing an old buddy a favor. Not a biggy in my book.

BillSwerski · Kick Asser

Grave Digger wrote:

saturn11 wrote:

i know that taking a dive for strahan soured alot of people on him around here (philly), me included. I mean come on!!!

I know what you mean, at the time I was furious. I let it go because 1) Strahan and Favre are well known golfing buddies, and I'm sure Favre wanted it to be on him and 2) it really didn't affect the game. As I recall (my memory of that game is a little rusty) the Packers gained the yards back but punted later. Giants won 14-7.

Strahan needed like .5 a sack to tie and 1 to beat the record. Strahan is a great player and had worked hard that season to earn that record. If he needed like 3 more and Favre handed him 3 sacks I would still be pissed, but I think he was doing an old buddy a favor. Not a biggy in my book.

Grave,

I think you're looking though rose colored glasses... To say that having a "tea party" with your friend to set an all time NFL record isn't a big deal is bunk. It's totally classless. I wish Deacon Jones would have run on the field and pummelled Favre and asked Strahan to not accept the sack. Strahan had no choice as he was rushing at full speed, but Brett did. He chose to lie down for his buddy. Sure it can be debated as it has. But it's obviously soured a lot of folks that aren't bonafide Favre lovers.

Saying it's no biggy in your book pretty much means your book is worthless. It's like SF Giants fans not seeing Bonds as a cheater...

twanne · Kick Asser

Here is the definitive, unbiased, truthful observation on Fav-ruh.

Brett is the Muhammad Ali of Football.

1. pretty much universally loved, respected at least

2. pretty much as good as advertised

3.probably sticking around too long (up for debate, his cannon arm still works)

4. MOST IMPORTANT!! The LAST guy you want your kid watching to learn how to play QB!!

Brett, like Ali does EVERYTHING WRONG! but he gets away with it (or did) because of that cannon arm! and receivers good enough to catch his passes! if you look at his decision making, it hasn't changed. Any zip lost on his fastball? NO! The difference is the receivers around him can't catch those passes in insane spots. what used to be "threading the needle" or "an amazing throw" is now seen as "bad decision making". And remember, he's always thrown some stupid INT's and put the team in a jam, but that rocket arm would almost always bail him out. not now, not with this team.

Ali: the most fundamentally UNSOUND boxer ever, but arguably the best because he was FASTER than everybody else.

Favre: as fundamentally UNSOUND as they come, but in the discussion of the all time best because his arm was stronger the everybody else.

saturn11 · Head Dick

http://www.school-for-champions.com/sports/ali_favre.htm

and this comparison is instructive how?

Grave Digger · Head Dick

I agree, Favre is not the guy to watch for asspiring QBs. He's a gun slinger.

As for the Strahan deal, it was inevitable Strahan was going to get that sack that day whether Favre took a dive or not. The comparison to Bonds is totally bogus. Favre cheated in no way. Sure he took a dive but it wasn't like he was gambling on the Packers to lose and took the dive so he would win a bet. So he took a dive for one of the greatest DEs ever. Strahan deserved it. Everyone who pays attention knows Strahan deserved it. I have no problem with the guys who have worked their a$$es off for 13 or 15 years catching a break once in a while.

saturn11 · Head Dick

Grave Digger wrote:

I agree, Favre is not the guy to watch for asspiring QBs. He's a gun slinger.

As for the Strahan deal, it was inevitable Strahan was going to get that sack that day whether Favre took a dive or not. The comparison to Bonds is totally bogus. Favre cheated in no way. Sure he took a dive but it wasn't like he was gambling on the Packers to lose and took the dive so he would win a bet. So he took a dive for one of the greatest DEs ever. Strahan deserved it. Everyone who pays attention knows Strahan deserved it. I have no problem with the guys who have worked their a$$es off for 13 or 15 years catching a break once in a while.

with all due respect, GD, these just sound like rationalizations from a big Brett fan.

if everyone knew strahan would get the sack that day, then WHY TAKE THE DIVE? If anything, Favre tarnished Strahan's accomplishment: NOBODY talks about his sack record without noting that his pal Brett HANDED him the record breaker.

Strahan "deserved" better than that.

Guys who have "worked their a$$es off" catch breaks that are not manufactured. And it makes those breaks all the sweeter.

Favre's cavalier attitude towards PLAYING THE GAME at a crucial, record breaking moment in its history was disrespectful to the game.

When i turn on my tv on sundays i want to watch spit-in-your-face competitors who "work their
a$$es off" to make their peers EARN the records they set, and take losing REAL HARD.

What i DON'T want to see is a fraternity of millionaires lending each other a helping hand when it comes to breaking the records of previous generations.

sorry, dude. i'm not buyin' your defense of brett.

but i DID love watching him play in his prime.

-- Edited by saturn11 at 19:10, 2006-09-13

-- Edited by saturn11 at 19:12, 2006-09-13

1 packer fan · Mr. Big Nuts

packers o-line sucks we should have paid woodson 50 cents instead of 50 mill. but all and all the bears still su#k. anyway we whant adrian peterson.

Pink Taco Stadium · Mr. Big Nuts

Regarding the sack..... I know it looked like he laid down, and he did, but if you remember the play, it was a naked bootleg that takes 4 or 5 seconds to develop, as soon as he turned around, here comes strahan straight up the field into Favres path, and Brett rather than being laid out by Mr. Tooth, slid down and strahan touched him down. cheap sack, yes, could favre gotten away, maybe, but the giants knew the play was coming because the pack ran it about 6 times that game. Maybe some favre, but more rossley, in my opinion

Grave Digger · Head Dick

Pink Taco Stadium wrote:

Regarding the sack..... I know it looked like he laid down, and he did, but if you remember the play, it was a naked bootleg that takes 4 or 5 seconds to develop, as soon as he turned around, here comes strahan straight up the field into Favres path, and Brett rather than being laid out by Mr. Tooth, slid down and strahan touched him down. cheap sack, yes, could favre gotten away, maybe, but the giants knew the play was coming because the pack ran it about 6 times that game. Maybe some favre, but more rossley, in my opinion

I didn't remember the exact play but now that you say that, your right. I remembered that I was yelling at the TV because I thought he took a dive, but when I watched the replay, I saw that it was more of a QB slide (as you said). One thing that comes with 15 years in the league, he knows who the hardest hitters are and who you want to take a hit from and who you don't in that kind of situation.

The problem I think was Rossley. He had a habit of going with a play that worked once excessively. It would work once, maybe twice, but after that defenses could shut it down. Even then he still tried it. Poor choice as OC.

saturn11 · Head Dick

that's not how i remember it. but of course, everyone's entitled to their opinion of whether or not he took a dive.

but let's not tie this thing up in a bow just yet simply because YOU TWO remember it that way.

for what it's worth, the court of public opinion overwhelmingly disagrees with you. try googling "favre strahan sack record". you won't find any links to an article that tells it your way. you'll get nothing but condemnations of favre for taking a dive.

a few other things surrounding this infamous event:

favre joked in the week leading up to the game that he might let strahan have the record.
afterwards said he couldn't understand why people were so upset.

after the game, favre wouldn't admit he took a dive, but he DID admit that in the huddle, he called a run play behind the left guard (designed to create a mismatch on the left side of the line of scrimmage, which would leave strahan unblocked), and then he "changed the play" without audibling the change at the line of scrimmage.

not that either of these mean he dove. but favre's comments before and after the game don't do anything to assuage my doubts....and i suspect that part of the anger towards favre in the wake of the incident comes from his unsympathetic, "hey...what's the big deal??" approach to people who took the record more seriously than he did.

as for the play itself, we'll never know for sure, but it looked like a dive to me.

-- Edited by saturn11 at 08:08, 2006-09-14

lost in iowa · Head Dick

Brett Farve in his prime was magnificient to watch, but he was not the ALI of football, as far as the lack of fundementals maybe, but Ali was walk away the greatest boxer of all time (the same might be able to be said for Jack Johnson but he was way before my time) while Brett is definitely great, many arguements can be made that he wasn't the best.

While Farve has broke Bears fans hearts repeatedly, I must admit I liked watching him play, in his prime he reminded me more of a Micheal Jordan.....guy just refused to lose, I think he has lost that, he seems more concerned with NOT taking the hit and injury than completing the pass or winning the game. He is NOT playing with the same intensity that he was, and it IS starting to tarnish his reputation.

If he plays another year or two he will enter into the same catagory as Emmitt Smith......guy stayed way to long in an effort to beat a record he didn't deserve to break....as an example...... classier back? Emmitt Smith or Barry Sanders? Anyone who follows football knew that Barry could have had the rushing record with just one more season, and he had a few left in his body......and Emmitt? hung around for years with a basement team in an effort to beat the record....

Vanni9283 · Head Dick

Yeah, I remember the days when Lord Favre used to OWN da Bears, my how the tables have turned since those days, however!!!

Pink Taco Stadium · Mr. Big Nuts

Heres a question for you guys. If Brett were to go on a tear, and start throwing touchdowns and stuff, and end the season breaking the TD record, (maybe, maybe not, you know, hypothetical) would people say he stuck around too long just to break the record, or does that territory get crossed in coming years? Just wondering peoples opinions.

saturn11 · Head Dick

with THAT team around him, if he goes "on a tear", I'd be impressed enough to say I was wrong about suggesting he should hang it up. it's only fair.

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

The Pack may be lucky to win 4 games this year. Rookie offensive lineman are a fukn scourge. Just look at what happend to the Giants a few years back. It was a fukn fiasco, and it never got any better.

Vanni9283 · Head Dick

The Pack may be lucky to win 4 games this year.

4 games??? If they continue to play the way they played this Sunday, the Pack could very easily be looking at 2-14, or maybe even 1-15!!!

twanne · Kick Asser

saturn11 wrote:

http://www.school-for-champions.com/sports/ali_favre.htm

and this comparison is instructive how?

I'd actually never seen that before, smart-a**. Anyway, I was just making the point that he's been able to get away with doing everything wrong for most of his career because of arm strength. but not anymore. the cannon still works, he does'nt have the talent around him anymore. Brett should have either retired or allowed himself to be traded to a contender.

saturn11 · Head Dick

twanne wrote:

saturn11 wrote:

http://www.school-for-champions.com/sports/ali_favre.htm

and this comparison is instructive how?

I'd actually never seen that before, smart-a**. Anyway, I was just making the point that he's been able to get away with doing everything wrong for most of his career because of arm strength. but not anymore. the cannon still works, he does'nt have the talent around him anymore. Brett should have either retired or allowed himself to be traded to a contender.

ha.

i was in a hurry when i posted that, and gave no explanation. REALLY, i wasn't suggesting that you stole the idea! hey, if anything, the fact that it was already out there in cyberspace validates your comparison: someone else saw the same thing.

and i really WAS curious to know how you thought the comparison was instructive. thanks for answering.

as you can see from the posts above, i TOTALLY agree that favre should've retired (and of course, an unlikely, magical return form would make idiots of us, and vindicate GraveDigger).

i guess the best examples we have of a QB hanging it up at the right time are Montana (he WAS effective as a Chief), and Elway (what better way to go out?).

the worst...hmmmm...remember Ken Stabler as a Houston Oiler, a New Orleans Saint, and ... gaak...a Memphis Showboat?

Sad. He was my favorite QB of all, too.

-- Edited by saturn11 at 22:06, 2006-09-14

beef101 · One Testicle Guy

Washed up. Kaput! A career of whining and crying finally coming to a justifiable end.

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

lost in iowa wrote:

......and Emmitt? hung around for years with a basement team in an effort to beat the record....

Yes, and Emmitt is an a$$hole, just like Favre...