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After 4, whos who?


Top 5 teams at week 5: I've watched almost everyteam.


1. Chicago Bears.- Defense , tops in the league.  Admit , I was dead wrong about Lovie.  Every aspect of defense is hitting on all cylinders.  Offense, Grossman if he stays healthy will and has prooved all doubters wrong (including me).  T Jones is the answer, not Benson (for now).  Tight end has stepped up, and I forget the WR's name, but Muhammed is not alone. This pace and SB bound.


2.Indy- Offense goes with out saying. I think J.Adei will soon make people forget about James, who will be the next Eddie George (fall of the map) behind the o line in Arizona.  I do think Wayne is overrated, but with Peyton out there I could be a viable #2.  The defense, when healthy is underrated and this could be there year if Jacksonville doesnt take the next step.


3. Cincy- Offense with Palmer is almost equal to Indy, with better WR's.  Oline will tell the tale. Defense, if not strapped legally will be , but is'nt yet, top 5.  Hate the team personally, so wont talk much.


4. Jacksonville- Drew-Jones and M. Jones will carry them as far as they will go.  Don't think they are ready for SB talk but with that defense, not totally out of the picture.  Probably best front 4 in the league.


5. Atlanta- Thats right, and not just a homer pick.  The defense , along with Chicago, has only given up 1 TD this year-with Abraham healthy they are a close second to Chicago/Jacksonville D-Line.  And besides the game against NO (and I don't think the 85 Bears would have beat NO that night), dominating performances.  One of the toughest first 4 game schedule in the league.  Vick still doesnt have the passing game, but as I've always said, who cares as long as we rush for 200+.  The passing game will have to improve to make a run in the playoffs....But as I started with AFTER FOUR WEEKS, this is what I see.



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Isn't the Falcons D always one of the best in the first half? It's the second half of the season that they need to straighten out.


Toughest first four games in the league? If you say so.



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The Bungles at #3?
Were you in a coma last week?
It took the Steelers to cough it up 5 times to beat them. That win was handed to them on a silver platter.
No way is Cincy a top 5 team, and as the season progresses the more clear that will become.

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Christopher Wallace wrote:


The Bungles at #3?
Were you in a coma last week?
It took the Steelers to cough it up 5 times to beat them. That win was handed to them on a silver platter.
No way is Cincy a top 5 team, and as the season progresses the more clear that will become.




 


He's right; Cincy barely beat a HORRID Steelers team, and got "turned out" by the Patriots.


I think Carson Palmer still owes his pimp 20% of the "Jarvis Green" action he got last Sunday.



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Accuse me of being a Homer if ya want to but the bengals MADE the steelers cough it up 5 times. You don't lead the league in INT's and total takeaways on luck. And to pre-empt any talk about the pats game, I pretty well expected that loss for a few reasons,


1. Belichick and Brady don't lose 2 games in a row


2. The Pats always rebound from a bad loss with a good win against a good team


3. Belichick is a MASTER game planner against high-powered offenses i.e. rams, colts.


4. Whether it was overconfidence that caused a let-up in intensity or the emotional let-down that comes after an intense rivalry dog-fight of a game, there was no way the Bengals were coming into that game as ready as they needed to be to face Bill and Tom. Under the circumstances, there isn't any shame in having lost that game.


The Bengals are still top 5 in the league!



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Accuse me of being a Homer if ya want to but the bengals MADE the steelers cough it up 5 times. You don't lead the league in INT's and total takeaways on luck. And to pre-empt any talk about the pats game, I pretty well expected that loss for a few reasons,



1. Belichick and Brady don't lose 2 games in a row



2. The Pats always rebound from a bad loss with a good win against a good team



3. Belichick is a MASTER game planner against high-powered offenses i.e. rams, colts.



4. Whether it was overconfidence that caused a let-up in intensity or the emotional let-down that comes after an intense rivalry dog-fight of a game, there was no way the Bengals were coming into that game as ready as they needed to be to face Bill and Tom. Under the circumstances, there isn't any shame in having lost that game.



The Bengals are still top 5 in the league!


Well, it could be true that they had a letdown, but it also could be true that the Pats EXPOSED them.  Their run D does NOT look good!  If this team wants to get better, that's a problem their gonna have to get fixed, and FAST too!


And don't tell me this was a one-time thing because they're run D didn't do a good job against Pittsburgh either.  If Big Ben didn't throw those INT's in the Red Zone, then the Bengals could have EASILY lost that game too!



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Just my opinion, give me yours. I think belechik can plan for any game with anybody and did a great job on cincy. Not undefeated still qualifies for a top 5 team, schedule has something to do with it. And yeah the falcons have had a pretty strong one , the Vikings could work their way in too

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Just my opinion, give me yours. I think belechik can plan for any game with anybody and did a great job on cincy. Not undefeated still qualifies for a top 5 team, schedule has something to do with it. And yeah the falcons have had a pretty strong one , the Vikings could work their way in too



Screw that, The Falcons are playing a high-wire act that probably can't last 16 games, not to mention 19. The better teams would smoke them even if it does.


...and the Vikings? Are you BONKERS? They just lost to Buffalo, and after this week against Detroit they have back-to-back games against the Seahawks and Patriots. They will be 3-4 at that point. I dunno if that screams "Top 5" to me.



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I said AFTER FOUR, are you bonkers.  ALSO, I said COULD work their way in too.  ALSO, I said give me your tops so I can show you what BONKERS  is Jet Black

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Vanni, I am well aware of our run-stopping problems. I had hoped that Sam Adams would provide more help than he has toward fixing that problem. At any rate, stopping the run is an "attitude" issue and the Bengals front 7 don't have the right attitude about doing it. They should take it as an affront to their collective ego and manhood to let anybody run on them, but they seem to be content to wait for the db's to get the INT as opposed to "Just MAN UP and HIT SOMEBODY!" That being said, The team is still top 5.

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I said AFTER FOUR, are you bonkers.  ALSO, I said COULD work their way in too.  ALSO, I said give me your tops so I can show you what BONKERS  is Jet Black



My favorite team is the Patriots, and what kind of idiot picks "top teams" after 4 games?



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Honest opinion folks.  The Chiefs beat the Niners, but that is not something to be too proud of.  Do you all think they are still in the mid to low 20's on power rankings with the way they played last week?

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Definitely don't agree with the initial top 5. Cincy as has been cited already has a massive inability to stop the run, and their O-line has some pass protection problems. Sure it's high scoring and will win more than it will lose. Maybe a top 10 team.

And ATLs finest also can't stop the run. Hasn't been their moto lately. They have a freakish pass rush though. Still not a SB team being one dimensional on both sides of the ball and definitely not a top 5, considering that you'd think that the top 5 would all be SB contenders based on their previous on-field performance.

As for who I'd put on my top 5 list:

Philly - Personally I feel they have the best all around team in the league. They're not running any gimmicky defense, or relying to much on any one thing to power their team. Aside from the first half of the GB and the 4th quarter of the Giants game they've just went out and dominated the teams they've played so completely that there is no doubt who the better team on the field is. Really hope that Westbrook gets healthy soon.

Chicago - They could have the best record in the league based on their ease of schedule. Be interesting to see if any of the coaches playing them start running some screens, fakes, bootlegs and whatnot to catch them out of position for big plays.

Baltimore - While the only team of note they've played so far is the Chargers, they've got a really gritty defense that I like a lot better than the Bears and as McNair gets familiar with the new playbook could be back in the SB this year.

Indy - Really hate these guys, but considering how well they run their offense they should have another great regular season. I wonder how long it will take for someone to point out how much of a gimmick it is to run the cover 2 as much as they do in the playoffs.

Jacksonville - I'd really like them to continue their solid start to this season through the playoffs. Looks like they got a more reliable option behind Byron and Fragile Freddy in Drew-Jones, but which of those trio of recievers are gonna breakout is the major question. Great defense, right behind Baltimore, IMO.



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If the eagles were healthy, they could fall into the top 5, but they are really banged up. the jag's are top 10 but not top 5.

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that's a pretty generous assessment of the birds, LeRoy. i'm tougher on them than you. they haven't really beaten anybody. no team that takes the apple the way the did against the giants (and almost again versus the 9ers) shouldn't be top 5.

(and even though they're banged up, i'm STILL lookin' forward to tomorrow, and i think it's gonna be a real dogfight! !)

i like your top five, too.

it's pretty tough to come up with an order for those teams, but i wouldn't put the bears at the top just yet. i'd like to see them play somebody better than the seahawks.

you could also make an argument that the chargers belong in there, too. but who would you take out? it's tempting to take the patriots out for the way denver handed them their a$$es, or the colts, who haven't really looked all that convincing unless it's against the houston texans of the world.

but beating tenessee and oakland is no great thang. their close loss to the ravens is more impressive. still, they're just outside the top 5. there are alot of teams knockin' on the door:

the next five?

bengals
chargers
jags

then it gets blurry. there are a few teams that could be in the last two spots:

eagles, falcons, seahawks, and cowboys....



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I wasn't intending to rank the top 5, just list them. i don't necessarily say the bears are number 1. but they are top 5.

I'll be watching tomorrows game. I still think 21 - 17, I'm just not saying who.

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twanne wrote:

Vanni, I am well aware of our run-stopping problems. I had hoped that Sam Adams would provide more help than he has toward fixing that problem. At any rate, stopping the run is an "attitude" issue and the Bengals front 7 don't have the right attitude about doing it. They should take it as an affront to their collective ego and manhood to let anybody run on them, but they seem to be content to wait for the db's to get the INT as opposed to "Just MAN UP and HIT SOMEBODY!" That being said, The team is still top 5.



......."That being said, the team is still top 5"

Sorry....those 2 things are diametrically opposed.

It all starts with the line play. If the lines suck......the team will fail. BTW, not only does the Bengals D line fail to stop the run, but the O line is giving up moocho sacks and Palmer is getting punished.

If they don't correct their obvious line deficiencies on both sides of the ball they will not go far.

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Honest opinion folks.  The Chiefs beat the Niners, but that is not something to be too proud of.  Do you all think they are still in the mid to low 20's on power rankings with the way they played last week?



No.......I think they'll climb higher (in spite of being coached by Herm Edwards).

Damon Huard is a very good back-up and I would not be suprised to see him do well. I think Trent Green is still seeing Tweety Birds and will take a while to get back up to speed. In the mean time Huard is not bad. The D seems to be improved also. I think they're better than 20.

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Damon Huard is a very good back-up and I would not be suprised to see him do well. I think Trent Green is still seeing Tweety Birds and will take a while to get back up to speed. In the mean time Huard is not bad. The D seems to be improved also. I think they're better than 20.


Well, of COURSE he's gonna do good this week.  He's playing ARIZONA for crying out loud!  lol!!!



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saturn11 wrote:

that's a pretty generous assessment of the birds, LeRoy. i'm tougher on them than you. they haven't really beaten anybody. no team that takes the apple the way the did against the giants (and almost again versus the 9ers) shouldn't be top 5.

(and even though they're banged up, i'm STILL lookin' forward to tomorrow, and i think it's gonna be a real dogfight! !)

you could also make an argument that the chargers belong in there, too. but who would you take out? it's tempting to take the patriots out for the way denver handed them their a$$es, or the colts, who haven't really looked all that convincing unless it's against the houston texans of the world.

but beating tenessee and oakland is no great thang. their close loss to the ravens is more impressive. still, they're just outside the top 5. there are alot of teams knockin' on the door:

the next five?

bengals
chargers
jags

then it gets blurry. there are a few teams that could be in the last two spots:

eagles, falcons, seahawks, and cowboys....





Seems you can't decide on whether the eagles are top 10 material or not. Despite having the banged up secondary who are mostly coming back from injuries (and partly taking time off due to opponents) and Westy injured, they're still pulling off their wins.

While I definitely agree the teams the Eagles have beaten (49ers, GB, and Texans, combined 3-9) aren't that great, their oppenents at least haven't totally sucked it up like the Charger's losing opponents (Raiders and Titans, combined 0-7). That point aside look at the material of what these two teams have done offensively and defensively. Chargers still can't cover the pass, both teams have a great pass rush and are able to stop the run. Chargers barely through because they're acculimating Rivers to the system, where as the Eagles really don't have much of a glaring weakness on offense (Westy only missed this past game).

As for coughing up the lead to the Giants, they are couple of freak plays (fumble in to the end zone and a interception ruled caught by reciever) from being 4-0. Besides, during the Giants miracle comeback Eli was picking on backup CBs since Lito and Hood were out. How many teams you know that go 5 deep with CBs?

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you're right. i'm not sure if they're top ten or not, yet.

do you think THE TEAM THE BIRDS ARE PUTTING ON THE FIELD RIGHT NOW is decidedly better than the other three teams i named as candidates for 9 and 10?

we'll find out about the cowboys tomorrow, but the seahawks, even without alexander, have to AT LEAST be CONSIDERED for the top ten, and as for the Falcons, they've played well against better competition, aside from the "emotion bowl" in N'ollins.

you can say all you want about the "perfect storm" of freak plays in that giants loss, but the way they played in the second half against the 9ers, and the way the played in the first half of the packers game suggest that there was more to that giants loss than just "freakishness". their d has a tendency to give up big plays.

look. i've been rootin' like crazy for the birds since roman gabriel was handing the ball off to silky sullivan. i'm just callin' it like i see it. if you can convince me that the birds are obviously better than the other three teams i named, i'm willing to listen. i just don't see it right now. and don't give me "what if's" and "shoulda coulda wouldas" about this or that injured guy, either.







-- Edited by saturn11 at 16:07, 2006-10-07

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saturn11 wrote:

you're right. i'm not sure if they're top ten or not, yet.

do you think THE TEAM THE BIRDS ARE PUTTING ON THE FIELD RIGHT NOW is decidedly better than the other three teams i named as candidates for 9 and 10?

we'll find out about the cowboys tomorrow, but the seahawks, even without alexander, have to AT LEAST be CONSIDERED for the top ten, and as for the Falcons, they've played well against better competition, aside from the "emotion bowl" in N'ollins.

you can say all you want about the "perfect storm" of freak plays in that giants loss, but the way they played in the second half against the 9ers, and the way the played in the first half of the packers game suggest that there was more to that giants loss than just "freakishness". their d has a tendency to give up big plays.

look. i've been rootin' like crazy for the birds since roman gabriel was handing the ball off to silky sullivan. i'm just callin' it like i see it. if you can convince me that the birds are obviously better than the other three teams i named, i'm willing to listen. i just don't see it right now. and don't give me "what if's" and "shoulda coulda wouldas" about this or that injured guy, either.

-- Edited by saturn11 at 16:07, 2006-10-07




Fair enough. Though just to clarify what exactly I'm arguing is a strong team both sides of the ball that is capble of running and passing and defending both. One dimensional teams always end up getting shut down in the playoffs.

Cowboys - They're O-Line is just sad. Flozel Adams is an injury waiting to happen like every year, Marco Riveria is STARTING as their RG, Marc Colobmbo who has only started a total of 6 games previous to this year and has had recurring knee injuries since college. It's just a matter of time before one of them gets injured or lets someone through the line to accelerate the Tony Romo prospects.

Falcons - While there is a lot to like about the Falcons, I think they're entirely over hyped. They have a great pass defense, but year in and year out they can't stop the rush even if opposing RBs just hopped around on one leg. Amazingly running is this teams strength (I wonder who they practice against to get better). As the Saints showed earlier this year and every other team that has contained Vick and forced him to throw, he is a terrible passer. I'll never put the Falcons as a Top-10 team because of that (unless they decide to put Matt Schaub in the backfield too)

Seahawks - Well you mentioned injuries and whatifs aren't what you want to talk about, but how can you make a case for the seahawks after losing their MVP in Shaun? I'm not entirely sold on the Seattle, they have an easy schedule so they should have a good record again, but if they can find a way to run without him - well I'd be willing to say they're a Top-10 team then.

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Maggot wrote:


I said AFTER FOUR, are you bonkers.  ALSO, I said COULD work their way in too.  ALSO, I said give me your tops so I can show you what BONKERS  is Jet Black



My favorite team is the Patriots, and what kind of idiot picks "top teams" after 4 games?






Damn near everyone on this board, ever heard of power rankings ...idiot



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