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NFC Awards


Based only on this season for all you a$$clowns who can't understand that........


 


Best QB- E. MANNING


Worst QB- K. WARNER


Best RB- T. BARBER


Worst RB- T.J. DUCKETT


Best Receiver- M. COLSTON


Worst Receiver- N. BURLESON


Best o-line- N.Y. GIANTS


Worst o-line- ARIZONA


Best d-line- MINNESOTA


Worst d-line- WASHINGTON


Best linebacker- E.J. HENDERSON


Worst linebacker- B. CHILLAR


Best DB- C. TILLMAN


Worst DB- D. HALL


Best coach- S. PAYTON


Worst coach- M. HOMGREN 


 



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Henderson best LB this year? Looks like a weak attempt to work up the Bears fans.


Tillman best DB this year? Looks like your alibi for when Bears fans rip you for the LB pick. Tillman is NOT the best DB in any year he's played, most of the time not even the best DB on the team.



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Worst coach Mike Holmgren???  I have to admit I'd take him over Andy Reid right now!



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Christopher Wallace wrote:


Worst coach- M. HOMGREN 


 





thats just fukin stupid right there. he loses his starting qb and reigning mvp but somehow this team, with no defense what so ever, is 5-3.

so i guess youre giving dennis green the nod over holmgren then huh?

we all know what denny green is so if you wanna crown him then crown him!

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I was just kinda fu*kin around about the Homogren thing.

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nice job, wallace. i'm not even gonna quibble with your choice of eli manning over mcnabb. at this point, there's not much of an argument because of mcnabb's last two horrendous games.

i KNEW you were effin around as soon as i read "holmgren". so who is it? denny green's a tough one to beat for worst nfc coach, no?

re. the rb's: does duckett get the ball enough to be the worst? that might be the worst signing, since the skins clearly have little use for him.

but what about cedric benson? unlike duckett, the bears are clearly trying to get him involved, but whenever they give him the ball while the game is still tight, he's only good for about a yard or two. meanwhile, he's the king of the garbage time t.d..

deshaun foster is a big disappointment, too. then again, he IS the victim of some terrible game-planning and play calling. i mean, he was just starting to get his wheels under him in that game against dallas, and then fox went to his "what to do when we're winning by two td's" chart, which is not exactly a literary masterpiece from the way things went from then on. the panthers only went to foster in obvious running situations for the rest of the game, and everybody in the stadium could smell it from miles away.

and though he's not "the worst", we can't have a conversation about bad nfc running backs without at least mentioning the debacle of a first half that e. james has thrown together.

yes, he's also the victim of bad coaching and a bad line. but SHEESH! edgerrin's an alleged 'elite back' who's supposed to rise above that stuff, put the team on his back, and blah blah blah. that was the theme of all his talk before the season began. instead, he has put together a terrible season, and has pouted like a little boy about it. it's embarrassing to see the mighty fall so far.

i vote for benson as the worst. this kid's making millions, was supposed to take the job LAST year, has punked his teammates time and again, and still can't get the job.

i could be misguided in some of these judgements. bears fans, if i'm wrong enlighten me! i'd be interested to hear your opinions.

all my best,

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I agree that Benson sucks at this point.

Though maybe hes just one of those guys that has to start getting the ball more to be more comfortable...that doesn't necessarily mean that you suck though.

He tries too hard to be a bruising back, when a quick sidestep would gain him that extra yardage. That, and his vision is horrendous. If I see him run into another one of his own lineman, when he has 5 yards on either side to move around, I am just going to sh1t my pants. His second gear is pretty awesome, though because he rarely ever runs around his blockers we haven't seen it much. His vision, timing and field awareness should improve with time.......As soon as he learns how to cut, the guy is going to be a beast.

On the other hand, rather than pushing forward, Thomas Jones moves laterally way way too much . Jones looks like hes skipping rope instead of putting his head down and getting those extra yards. By no means is Jones in the elite category as he thinks that he is. He in my opinion he is a slightly above average RB in this league. For Being as big as he is upper body wise, he should be able to bruise a bit more. He is very top heavy. His second gear is for sh1t too.

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thanks for the insight. i wasn't impressed by jones either, which is all the more reason that benson's inability to take the job from him is a headscratcher. worst in the nfc?

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I agree 100% on Thomas Jones. I disagree on Benson. He's not the style of runner that can get 8 carries and break one for 68 yards, especially when the coaches only play him on obvious running downs. Since defenses watch tape and see he's running 6 of 8 times he gets the ball, they sell out and stack the box. I'm very confident if he split carries with Jones, he'd at worst be as good as Jones.


That being the case, why haven't the coaches made a change you may ask? Because we were undefeated and didn't want to mess with team chemistry. Jones is one of the most popular players in the locker room and considered one of the veteran leaders. His lack of production was easier to ignore while we were winning. If this week wasn't against the Giants, I would guaranteee he'd be getting about 15 carries. At this point I'm not so sure that the coaches have the balls to increase his playing time this weak even though they were waiting till after a loss.



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Miami Bear 305 wrote:

I agree 100% on Thomas Jones. I disagree on Benson. He's not the style of runner that can get 8 carries and break one for 68 yards, especially when the coaches only play him on obvious running downs. Since defenses watch tape and see he's running 6 of 8 times he gets the ball, they sell out and stack the box. I'm very confident if he split carries with Jones, he'd at worst be as good as Jones.


That being the case, why haven't the coaches made a change you may ask? Because we were undefeated and didn't want to mess with team chemistry. Jones is one of the most popular players in the locker room and considered one of the veteran leaders. His lack of production was easier to ignore while we were winning. If this week wasn't against the Giants, I would guaranteee he'd be getting about 15 carries. At this point I'm not so sure that the coaches have the balls to increase his playing time this weak even though they were waiting till after a loss.





Jone's loyalty, affability, chemistry, and skill play a part in why Benson isn't getting the amount of looks that he would need to put up some numbers. But, Let's look at why that is.....The fukn guy cannot pass block to save his life. I've heard the talkind heads say it, and I've seen it with my own eyes. He's horrible at it. They've allowed him to try it a few times, each time its a disaster. And because we've seen so little of him attempting to doing it, its hard to say whether hes just being a puss, or just lacks the smarts/ sense./ awareness to pickup rushers...

So you cannot attribute his lack of quality playing time in large part to chemistry... Though obviously it does factor into it. You can however place the blame on his inability to passblock. Which makes him a situational back, which makes him a not so special back. If being a running back just entailed running the ball, I am sure that there would have some different folks in the history of the league that would have been higher in carries and yardage.

Couple that with the fact that he has done nothing but open up his mouth and piss people off (his team included), and held out for a long period last year, and you have all of the answers that you need for as to why he is not getting quality touches in his 2nd year.

-- Edited by GoBearsGalason at 11:50, 2006-11-10

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I disagree that he can't pass block. Check the TD pass to Moose this past week and see how Benson stone walled a Zack Thomas blitz. There have been others but that's the most recent one. There have been a few plays where it LOOKED like he missed his block but after watching the replays, the defense either overload blitzd one side (the Seattle game comes to mind) or the tackle missed his block.


Has he missed some blocks? Of course, everyone does, including Thomas Jones. Even if he wasn't blocking well now, how is he going to get better at it on the bench? Like it or not, he is our future and we need to see what we have in him sooner rather than later.



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Miami he consistently misses key blocks, or doesn't block enough. You aren't going to miss every block, but he does miss a lot. If Turner had more confidence in his blocking ability he wouldn't have sat out the entire Vikings game The entire Bills game (A blowout), The cardinals game (heavy and hard passrush).


 


Maybe he is getting better, but he still sucks and his gametime in those situations backs up my point fully and completely.



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We can't use his play time as proof of his poor pass blocking. The coaches have not given us a reason as to why he is not playing much and any reason we come up with is pure speculation.


I personally have not seen him miss many blocks the few times he has been asked to pass block. In fact, I've seen him stuff a couple of blitzing linebackers. I haven't reviewed the tape or anything so I'm going off memory so I guess there's no real point in arguing it lol.



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Miami Bear 305 wrote:



We can't use his play time as proof of his poor pass blocking. The coaches have not given us a reason as to why he is not playing much and any reason we come up with is pure speculation.


I personally have not seen him miss many blocks the few times he has been asked to pass block. In fact, I've seen him stuff a couple of blitzing linebackers. I haven't reviewed the tape or anything so I'm going off memory so I guess there's no real point in arguing it lol.




Yes you can, and Turner has been quoted as saying that his pass rushing skills need to improve. Probably haven't heard it as much because I'm in Chicago and hear ALL the local coverage.

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Well you're right about that, you're closer to the source than I so I'll bow to your better knowledge and watch Benson even closer on pass play this week (if he plays).

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Another thing you will notice about Benson after tonight...He NEVER improvises..


My theory on that is that he is trying to please the coaches and desperately tries to run the play called rather than using his vision to find spots and make some plays.



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