2006 Playoff Teams

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

RE: 2006 Playoff Teams

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

Sure viva, whatever makes you sleep better at night...Roethlisberger has a better winning percentage than Brady, and less experience, he will only get better...The Cowher and Belichick argument is a draw as far as im concerned, both coaches have their merits, but I still remember Belichick's coaching career pre Weiss and Crennel, and it sucked...As of right now the Steelers are the defending SB champs, and the Patsies couldnt even beat the donkeys to make it to the AFC champ. game...Good luck next season in one of the weakest divisions in the AFC, im sure you'll make it to the playoffs where you will exit in the first round.

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

You're suprisingly right TeenageMutantNinjaTurtle, of course Parker would have had more rushing yards if he wasnt taken out on 3rd downs and short yardage situations, our 3rd down back, Verron Haynes is returning, and Duce will take over on short yardage...that being said, I will guarentee you that Parker will have more yards than either Dillon, or Maroney individually, also I will guarentee that the Steelers will have more combined rushing yards than the Patsies.

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

The fact that you insist on putting Roth-lisp-burger in the same class as Brady is embarrassing.

Whatever else is whatever else, but that comparison is both funny and sad, and it severly discounts all of your other statements.

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

I seem to remember early in Brady's career it was debateable when he was compared to great QB's in the league...Sounds eerily familiar doesnt it?

VivaKnievel · Half A Man

Roethlisberger has a huge flaw that cannot continued to be overlooked by Steelers coaches, and that's the simple fact that he "floats" passes like crazy. He is simply not a very accurate passer. It was the one big knock at him coming out of Miami (OH) and eventually it's going to start to haunt the team. He has a rifle arm, and should be able to whizz passes on a frozen rope, like Brady, but for whatever reason he just doesn't. Over the past two years, I have never seen a QB get as lucky with wobbly duck passes as Roethlisberger has. When his luck runs out, and it will soon (just like it did in the second Cincinnati game, a game in which he threw what, four interceptions, two of them wobbly ducks right to Cincinnati linebackers) the Steelers are going to be in trouble. There's no doubt that the Steelers and Big Ben have had a little bit of magic dust sprinkled on them the past two years, but I think the dust has blown off. I seriously think this team will struggle to get to the playoffs, and Cincinnati runs away with this division in late Novemeber/early Decemeber, just like last year. Only this time the Steelers don't weasel in as a wild card.

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

VivaKnievel wrote:

Roethlisberger has a huge flaw that cannot continued to be overlooked by Steelers coaches, and that's the simple fact that he "floats" passes like crazy. He is simply not a very accurate passer. It was the one big knock at him coming out of Miami (OH) and eventually it's going to start to haunt the team. He has a rifle arm, and should be able to whizz passes on a frozen rope, like Brady, but for whatever reason he just doesn't. Over the past two years, I have never seen a QB get as lucky with wobbly duck passes as Roethlisberger has. When his luck runs out, and it will soon (just like it did in the second Cincinnati game, a game in which he threw what, four interceptions, two of them wobbly ducks right to Cincinnati linebackers) the Steelers are going to be in trouble. There's no doubt that the Steelers and Big Ben have had a little bit of magic dust sprinkled on them the past two years, but I think the dust has blown off. I seriously think this team will struggle to get to the playoffs, and Cincinnati runs away with this division in late Novemeber/early Decemeber, just like last year. Only this time the Steelers don't weasel in as a wild card.

I think the Steelers can make the playoffs because I think the Bengals will BLOW hard this year.

and Burgh, NOBODY has ever even debated if Roth-lisp-burger is "amongst the all-time great QB's".... because he isn't even close.

Is Brady as good as Montana? It is up for debate.

Is Roth-lisp-burger as good as Montana.... HELLS NO!!!!!! What fool would even ask?

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

Ninja, I did not say that Big Ben was amongst the greatest of all time, I said he is one of the top QB's in the league today...As far as ben hanging passes, you're right, he did hang alot of them last year, throwing with a broken thumb, you will see alot more accuracy from him this year...

Viva, gimme some of that crack your smokin, if you really think the steelers will struggle to make the playoffs, and the convict Bengals are going to run away with the division, you sir are f*cking retarded...

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

Burgh1979 wrote:

Ninja, I did not say that Big Ben was amongst the greatest of all time, I said he is one of the top QB's in the league today...As far as ben hanging passes, you're right, he did hang alot of them last year, throwing with a broken thumb, you will see alot more accuracy from him this year... Viva, gimme some of that crack your smokin, if you really think the steelers will struggle to make the playoffs, and the convict Bengals are going to run away with the division, you sir are f*cking retarded...

If Palmer recovers well ,and Big Ben's eggs are as scrambled as I think they could be..... Bengals **could** run away with that division, but I dunno....

PS - Roth-lisp-burger really isn't among the current crop of elite QBs either. Currently better than Ben:

Brady, Manning (maybe both), Culpepper, Brees, McNabb, Palmer, Delhomme, and Green.

Playing past their glory days, but still active QBs that are known to be better than Ben include:

Farve, McNair, Warner, and Bledsoe.

At least. I might put Vick and Simms ahead of him as well but not certain.

That makes Roth-lisp-burger "average" at best.

VivaKnievel · Half A Man

Burgh1979 wrote:

Viva, gimme some of that crack your smokin, if you really think the steelers will struggle to make the playoffs, and the convict Bengals are going to run away with the division, you sir are f*cking retarded...

The Bengals "legal" problems are ridiculously overblown. The media loves that kind of sh*t in the off-season, because there's nothing else to talk about. They also hate Mike Brown, so the Bengals are always an easy target. And besides, the Bengals need some attitude - even if it's a "criminal" attitude. I think it will actually HELP the Bengals this year.

Besides, of the five players who have gotten in trouble this off-season, only one of them is crucial to the Bengals on-field success, and that is Odell Thurman, who will miss the first four games. As for the others, Matthias Askew would not have made the team anyway. He's an underachiever who was already in the doghouse with Lewis, and with the drafting of his former college teammate, Domato Peko, he's as good as gone; Chris Henry was already is in a fight to stick past training camp. With the signing of Antonio Chapman, and the emergence of Tab Perry (who shredded your special teams last year, Burp1979, if you don't remember), Henry is gone, even if he wins his legal battles; and Ahmad Brooks and Frostee Rucker weren't even on the team last year, and regardless of their legal troubles, would have a tough chance of getting any playing time this year. Only Thurman is a problem, and that's a four-game problem that can be dealt with, as long as Carson Palmer is healthy. You'll only need 10 or 11 wins to take the AFC North this year, and even as tough as the Bengals schedule is, they'll get those wins if Palmer is healthy early, which from the looks of things he is going to be.

Deal with it.

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

I tend to agree. I have never seen "legal" issues off-field affect a team on the pitch. If a players is in jail and not playing, then that hurts, but it's not like Palmer is up on murder charges. It's all minor crap.

The Steelers are much more likely to suffer a major drop-off this year, but the defense can probably still carry them pretty far.

That division is the biggest "toss up" I think, as it really could go either way.

Vanni9283 · Head Dick

As far as the Steelers are concenred, I think they are for SURE a playoff team, and I also like them to take the AFC North title as well. I'm not sure if they will return to the Super Bowl, but in the playoffs, remember ANYTHING can happen!

psyco86ward · Half A Man

viva you need to qiut hanging out with your boy o'meth errrr odell. missing 4 games b/c of drugs and you have brian simmons take his place, and then when he is allowed to play how good is he going to be with out his pipe. it doesn't matter if carson is back have you seen the rb's in our divison just like last year great offence and no defence, and before you come back with torry james lead the league in blah blah blah. if there was 1 person who needed butter on his back it was him b/c he was toast. the steelers might have one of there best defences they have ever had ben may float some passes and make some mistakes but the d will pick him up. as far as i can remember bradshaw never led in anything besides superbowl rings.

Kliquid · Half A Man

JetBlackNinja wrote:

Burgh1979 wrote:

First of all the steelers "feature back" named Willie Parker is not changing from last year....

You mean "4 good games, then the surprise wore off and I got OWNED" Willie Parker.

I remember him. He gained 100+ yards in 6 games in his career. TOTAL. 5 last season, 1 he season prior. I don't remember Willie Parker ever earning the hype.

So yeah... Parker was 2nd-leading rusher in the postseason behind Alexander, yet he took only one more carry than Jerome Bettis. The dude was in his SECOND season in the league. You can't EXPECT him to dominate EVERY game. He was in the top-10 in the league on the season - that's way more than you can hope for out of a 2nd-year back who you didn't even half to waste a draft pick on. In fact, despite being an undrafted free agent in 2004, he led all 2nd-year RB's in rushing yards in '05.

I'm not even a Steelers fan, but you're being ridiculous with your assesment of Parker.

jakebrake · Half A Man

don't forget Hass in that list of better QBs

-- Edited by jakebrake at 13:37, 2006-07-29

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

I agree that Hasselbeck is among the top QB's in the league, and he is getting little respect in most of the fantasy magazines...

jakebrake · Half A Man

Burgh1979 wrote:

I agree that Hasselbeck is among the top QB's in the league, and he is getting little respect in most of the fantasy magazines...

lol..welcome to Seattle football

Alexander got the league MVP, he was the team MVP.

Vanni9283 · Head Dick

As far as Hasselbeck is concerned, I really don't know what to think of him. In my opinion, I think Shaun Alexander has done so much to help get that team to where they are now, and I don't know if that team would be as successful as they are without him.

Miami Bear 305 · Head Dick

Jason Whitlock was on PTI last week and said the Bears have a 45% chance of making the playoffs. Detroit was his pick as division winner.

Vanni9283 · Head Dick

I'll have to disagree with that. Even though they have undergone changes in the coaching staff, I doubt they'll be able to improve enough to turn things around this year. I believe da Bears will repeat as NFC North champs.

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

Kliquid wrote:

So yeah... Parker was 2nd-leading rusher in the postseason behind Alexander, yet he took only one more carry than Jerome Bettis. The dude was in his SECOND season in the league. You can't EXPECT him to dominate EVERY game. He was in the top-10 in the league on the season - that's way more than you can hope for out of a 2nd-year back who you didn't even half to waste a draft pick on. In fact, despite being an undrafted free agent in 2004, he led all 2nd-year RB's in rushing yards in '05. I'm not even a Steelers fan, but you're being ridiculous with your assesment of Parker.

So yeah,

Willie Parkers 4 postseason games are:

38 yards

59 yards

35 yards

93 yards (1 run for 75 yards and basically nothing else.)

Please tell me how this isn't BAD! I mean real bad.

Corey Dillion's first post season game involved pasting 144 yards on the Colts. Willie Parker 1 year later got 59 yards against a D that played awful.

Forgive me if I think Parker is an overhyped joke, but the stats do back it up and at 209 pounds I would not be expecting a long career out of this guy.

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

Yes Ninja, Willie didnt have a flashy post season...of course Bettis got more carries in the post season so he and Willie almost split the carries exactly: Parker 57 carries for 225 yds in the post season, and the Bus had 56 carries for 180 yds...Parker will probably never have a 1700 yd. plus season, because he will probably always be sharing carries with a larger power back (classic Steeler football), but I expect him to steadily produce 1200 plus yds per season as one of the fastest backs in football, and I think that he proved his durability last season...

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

Burgh1979 wrote:

Yes Ninja, Willie didnt have a flashy post season...of course Bettis got more carries in the post season so he and Willie almost split the carries exactly: Parker 57 carries for 225 yds in the post season, and the Bus had 56 carries for 180 yds...Parker will probably never have a 1700 yd. plus season, because he will probably always be sharing carries with a larger power back (classic Steeler football), but I expect him to steadily produce 1200 plus yds per season as one of the fastest backs in football, and I think that he proved his durability last season...

Sorry, what part of his career thus far has convinced you he will get anywhere near 1200... ever?

And ONE season does NOT prove durability, that is amongst the stupider comments I have ever read.

Also, what "power back" will he be splitting these carries with this year? Your options are:

1. Duce "Injured every other game" Staley

or

2. Verron "I've never hit 300 yards in a season" Hayes

or maybe that 7th round rookie will catch on quick?

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

Parker proved his durability by taking the large majority of carries in a run heavy offense for the entire season, w/out significant injury...

Yes, Duce is a good power back, when he doesnt have to carry the brunt of the load, by only playing the Bus' role I think you will see a productive, healthy Duce Staley, after all he had a year to recover...

Verron Haynes has not had a chance to prove himself with the Bus on the roster, but Cowher holds him in high regards, and he has been a great 3rd down back, you will see more of him this year...

I am now through with this argument, and I am still willing to guarentee that the Steelers as a team have more rushing yards than the Patsies, and that Parker will have more rushing yards than either of the Patsies individual RB's...

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

Burgh1979 wrote:

Parker proved his durability by taking the large majority of carries in a run heavy offense for the entire season, w/out significant injury...

Yes, Duce is a good power back, when he doesnt have to carry the brunt of the load, by only playing the Bus' role I think you will see a productive, healthy Duce Staley, after all he had a year to recover...

Verron Haynes has not had a chance to prove himself with the Bus on the roster, but Cowher holds him in high regards, and he has been a great 3rd down back, you will see more of him this year...

I am now through with this argument, and I am still willing to guarentee that the Steelers as a team have more rushing yards than the Patsies, and that Parker will have more rushing yards than either of the Patsies individual RB's...

Well I am willing to take that bet, as I assume that Dillon won't last 6 games, the rookie should see most of the carries this year, and Parker won't outrush Maroney.

So what's the bet?

Burgh1979 · Head Dick

Ninja, I offered the bet, so I'll let you offer the terms...

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

Burgh1979 wrote:

Ninja, I offered the bet, so I'll let you offer the terms...

See, that is what I was sorta stuck on or I would have right from the start.

We don't know each other and we'll never meet so we really have nothing for each other.

Let me check if this forum accepts "sigs" and if it does we will do that.

Loser wears the winners signature for the playoffs (playoff stats are not counted)

If you win and have no clue how to make one or don't have Photoshop, that is fine. I can take my lumps like a man and I will make a pro-Steelers one for myself.

psyco86ward · Half A Man

burg for as much as ninja post on here i doubt he has a job to pay up on this sucker bet. parker is going to rush for 1400 and 10 td's you gotta figure we play the clowns and the joke of a d in the bungholes 2 times.

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

psyco86ward wrote:

burg for as much as ninja post on here i doubt he has a job to pay up on this sucker bet. parker is going to rush for 1400 and 10 td's you gotta figure we play the clowns and the joke of a d in the bungholes 2 times.

I would never bet cash with a stranger on the internet though. That is a bad idea from start to finish.

Plus, I don't have a stick up my a$$ like you do so this is all "fun and games" to me. Try not to get so upset about things that don't concern you, you'll live longer.

psyco86ward · Half A Man

damn dude relax it was a joke i gotta sick up for the the burg. parker is going to dominate this year and you know it give the steelers some credit for once. your patties r obviously the team of the decade it sucks we r number 2 behind the choud douchebags. don't get all worked up you might live longer.