Green Bay really does Blow !

TACOBILL · Head Dick

Green Bay really does Blow !

JetBlackNinja · Head Dick

The Browns were worse.

Vanni9283 · Head Dick

lol! I remember when "Lady Al" Harris was with the EAGLES, and how he always used to get called for pass interference!!!

saturn11 · Head Dick

TACOBILL wrote:

Did anyone catch that game? NO...O-line at all. No running game..(see no O-line)

No doubt!!! Hey...Where's GraveDigger, huh? didn't he say I was posting totally uninformed BEE-ESS when I said the Pack's O-line been steadily in decline for about 5 yrs now? sheesh. the dude said I didn't know what I was talkin' about.

Come on, GraveDigs, let's hear your take on the game.

User Name · Head Dick

i think A.J. Hawk will turn into a fine linebacker. i saw a lot of plays where he was in on the tackle.. he's a greater role player than he is someone who simply dominates on defense. he does have a nose for the ball.

Grave Digger · Head Dick

My take on the game, the team, as a whole, did blow. It was somewhat of a mismatch though.

They have little depth at tackles which hurt the 2nd team. They're very inexperienced where as San Diago has a very experienced rotation on the Dline and Oline. I don't think anyone is qualified to judge the RBs by this game. They had no chance to do anything. Favre couldn't get much done either.

Our Dline was having some trouble against the run, but it wasn't bad. They too are very inexperienced and went up against a very experienced San Diago Oline.

They were getting a good pass rush. The called back the TD on Al Harris so that was nothing. Even if they had called it a TD, it was a perfectly thrown ball, no CB could have defended it. Rivers played very good.

The DB core as a whole played poorly. The reason Rivers' numbers were so good was becaue he constantly had open recievers. Again, a very inexperienced group. Their problem is fukin Kurt Shottenheimer is the DB coach...horrible. The young LBs (Hawk and Hodge) were bad against the pass, but thats to be expected for rookies. Hodge's strength has never been pass coverage, and Hawk was matched up against Gates most of the 1st half.

The hero of the game was Aaron Rodgers. He looked really good. WHEN Favre retires this year (he will), the Packers will be good and won't need Brady Quinn. Greg Jennings looks really good. Donny Driver is still solid. David Martin (when healthy) and Donald Lee are two, young, maturing TEs, who will be good in a year or two. The rookie safety Tyron Culver is going to be a good one. He finished with I think 7 tackles.

For those who didn't watch closely, the Packers were CONSTANTLY rotating players. They didn't have all their starters in all the time. They were giving everyone PT through the whole game. While thats not an excuse, it is a factor. Oh, and the other thing is...IT'S PRESEASON!!! I'm not worried at all. This team is not that bad. The Oline has now played 1, count it, 1 game as a unit. Every inexperienced team needs some to gel. They will be ready on opening day to play the Bears. As Favre said in an interview about the Bears game, "hey, doesn't get much easier than that!"

-- Edited by Grave Digger at 21:32, 2006-08-14

-- Edited by Grave Digger at 21:40, 2006-08-14

Grave Digger · Head Dick

saturn11 wrote:

TACOBILL wrote:

Did anyone catch that game? NO...O-line at all. No running game..(see no O-line)

No doubt!!! Hey...Where's GraveDigger, huh? didn't he say I was posting totally uninformed BEE-ESS when I said the Pack's O-line been steadily in decline for about 5 yrs now? sheesh. the dude said I didn't know what I was talkin' about. Come on, GraveDigs, let's hear your take on the game.

I stand by my comment. You didn't and don't know what your taling about. They havn't been in decline for 5 years. They were one of the best Olines in the league from '02 to 04. Then, losing 2 All-Pro guards, at once, they started sucking. It was in decline for 1 year. Your opinion is based on other's opinions...your not looking deep into the team. I know the every single player who, in my opinion, will be on the 53 man roster. I know all of their strengths and weaknesses. Florio is just following the mainstream media and is giving the Packers crap. If you keep saying they're going to be bad for years, eventually you will be right. I don't read this site for the opinions. I read it for the ACTUAL football news.

TACOBILL · Head Dick

There was a movie a while back...I think it was called "the island". A bunch of pirates in the Bermuda triangle. They captured a reporter and made him breed with the locals. The locals had too much in breeding and were becomming retarded. Same thing happens to a ****erspaniel breeder....if they dont get some new blood. I think this is happening in Green Bay.

The team is owned by the town. Ugly and almost retarded at birth.....they need some new blood. Their team drafts HAWK. A mutant..in the clinical sense....and what does he do...marries Mr Ed....or a john Elways clone.....in private....doesnt add alot to the gene pool.

The town is freaked......so they lay down...and draft Brady Quinn in 2007. Sure he looks like his sister...but he is a dude. Horse teeth arent as scary when attached to a dude.

So basicallly the Favre holdout was a scam...to land new blood....for the fudge packers

Vanni9283 · Head Dick

As far as the Peckers are concerned, I agree with the fact that they suck! GraveDigger, by suggesting that they will be ready for opening day vs. da Bears are you actually saying they have a chance to win that game? Sure it's opening week, so anything can happen, but I can't see them winning it b/c I fully expect da Bears D to dominate in that game.

phole · Head Dick

eff G.Bay! And eff the effin' Bears! i'm sooo tired of hearing how great the emmer-effin' Bears are. who effin' cares what you did last year? who the eff cares all yer effin' def starters are back? Effin' FIBS! eff the bears, eff chicago, and eff the effin' white sox right in ozzies mouth while ditka watches and rubs one out. you sic emmer-effers. eff you very much.

saturn11 · Head Dick

Grave Digger wrote:

I stand by my comment. You didn't and don't know what your taling about. They havn't been in decline for 5 years. They were one of the best Olines in the league from '02 to 04. Then, losing 2 All-Pro guards, at once, they started sucking. It was in decline for 1 year. Your opinion is based on other's opinions...your not looking deep into the team. I know the every single player who, in my opinion, will be on the 53 man roster. I know all of their strengths and weaknesses. Florio is just following the mainstream media and is giving the Packers crap. If you keep saying they're going to be bad for years, eventually you will be right. I don't read this site for the opinions. I read it for the ACTUAL football news.

thanks for steppin' up and responding, GraveDigger.

a couple of things:

-if you want to say that there was no decline in their play until they lost Wahle and Rivera, I respect that. and the numbers would back you up.

-however, i believe i've seen a general decline in the quality of green bay's o-line play over the last few years. their run blocking has gradually become less consistent, and breakdowns in their pass protection have steadily increased. most importantly, though, to me, they've been looking less and less like an o-line that can win the line of scrimmage consistently over the course of an entire game. there was a time in the early '00s when that was all they did. but i've seen less and less of that as the years go by. it may be due to coaching under the Sherman regime. i don't know. but that's what it looks like to me. I'm entitled to that opinion. it's based on watching them play, thankyouverymuch.

-the other part of my suggestion was that THIS YEAR'S Pack o-line would continue that decline, and play poorly. you also disagreed with that. of course, there's still time for them to gel, but after seeing the first game, you have to admit that I'm much closer to being right than you.

-though my opinion may sound like florio's (and alot of other people's opinions) it's not based on theirs. it's based on watching football games.

-i know this may be hard to swallow, but...i'd like to humbly suggest that when most fans and sports writers all say the see the same thing, it *might* be real, rather than a conspiracy of copycat journalists.

-your conspiracy theory that the "mainstream media...is giving the Packers crap" sounds worse than the philly fans of my father's generation, who used to think that all announcers, commentators, journalists, AND referees had an an irrational hatred for the eagles. get real GraveDigger. the media LOVES the Packer mystique. in fact, we ALL do. it's what football's all about. and if the Pack are even CLOSE to being good, the media is right there with heaps of hype and praise. but at this point in time, there's NO reason to believe that the Pack (or their weak o-line) is anything but what sports journalists and fans are saying: lame.

-i'm still waiting for your opinion of their performance in the first preseason game.

-- Edited by saturn11 at 09:16, 2006-08-15

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

Saturn I couldn't agree with you more. After 20 up and down years (mostly down), the Bears are in the same banana boat as the Pack (though the Pack, due to the small market that it is in) will have to deal with the Journalistic praise and or criticisms much less when Favre is gone.

That is unless they can put a player of such a caliber on the field once again. Who knows right? It very well could be Aaron Rodgers. Favre came out of nowhere. You just cannot predict with any amount of accuracy when a star will show up and leave with a lasting legacy, rather than one or two cumshots of glory.

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

Hey Username Aj Hawk doesnt have a nose for the ball. He most certainly has a nose "like" a ball.

Yesh I like Brockwurshts and cheezsh alotsch

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

In fact, hes the best looking girl in Green Bay

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume5/2006-0104-hawk.html

This just in.....

Grave Digger · Head Dick

GoBearsGalason wrote:

http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume5/2006-0104-hawk.html

This just in.....

Ok, that's taking it too far. I can understand all the jokes, because he is not an attractive man, but thats a little mean. Even though AJ and Laura are somewhat famous, that doesn't give that website the right to joke on her like that. I know it's all a joke website, but calling straight up calling her a man is pretty low class. She might be the kind of girl that looks good from some angles, and bad from others, doesn't mean she deserves that. I'm not just saying this because she's married to a Packer, I think that's pretty wrong.

Grave Digger · Head Dick

saturn11 wrote:

thanks for steppin' up and responding, GraveDigger. a couple of things:

-if you want to say that there was no decline in their play until they lost Wahle and Rivera, I respect that. and the numbers would back you up.

-however, i believe i've seen a general decline in the quality of green bay's o-line play over the last few years. their run blocking has gradually become less consistent, and breakdowns in their pass protection have steadily increased. most importantly, though, to me, they've been looking less and less like an o-line that can win the line of scrimmage consistently over the course of an entire game. there was a time in the early '00s when that was all they did. but i've seen less and less of that as the years go by. it may be due to coaching under the Sherman regime. i don't know. but that's what it looks like to me. I'm entitled to that opinion. it's based on watching them play, thankyouverymuch.

-the other part of my suggestion was that THIS YEAR'S Pack o-line would continue that decline, and play poorly. you also disagreed with that. of course, there's still time for them to gel, but after seeing the first game, you have to admit that I'm much closer to being right than you.

-though my opinion may sound like florio's (and alot of other people's opinions) it's not based on theirs. it's based on watching football games.

-i know this may be hard to swallow, but...i'd like to humbly suggest that when most fans and sports writers all say the see the same thing, it *might* be real, rather than a conspiracy of copycat journalists.

-your conspiracy theory that the "mainstream media...is giving the Packers crap" sounds worse than the philly fans of my father's generation, who used to think that all announcers, commentators, journalists, AND referees had an an irrational hatred for the eagles. get real GraveDigger. the media LOVES the Packer mystique. in fact, we ALL do. it's what football's all about. and if the Pack are even CLOSE to being good, the media is right there with heaps of hype and praise. but at this point in time, there's NO reason to believe that the Pack (or their weak o-line) is anything but what sports journalists and fans are saying: lame.

-i'm still waiting for your opinion of their performance in the first preseason game.

-- Edited by saturn11 at 09:16, 2006-08-15

Couple things on my end:

-Again, the only reason the Oline is bad now is because Wahle and Rivera skipped town. From 2000 until 2003, the Packers run game only got better. They went from 1600+ yds in 2000 to 2500+ yds in 2003. Production dropped to 1900+ in 2004, but that was due to Green having nagging injuries. Then BOOM, 1300+ yds in 2005. Coincindently, 2005 was the first year without 2 all-pro guards and an injured all-pro center.

-I'm entitled to my opinion too and I don't think the Oline is in decline. They hit rock bottom last year starting New England washout Adrian Klemm and 7th round rookie William Whitticker at guards. Klemm was about as strong as a high school guard and Whitticker was too slow to pull and the RB usually made contact before him. It was embarassing. They have brought in better plays and have installed what I have observed to be a better blocking sceme. As I said, they hit rock bottom last year and are only getting better. What I saw was an inexperienced Oline playing their 1st game as a unit. They faced a very experienced Dline who have been playing together for a couple years and it was a mismatch.

-Guys like Florio and the so called experts have been writing the Packers off ever since their dismal 8-8 season in '98. They kept predicting that the winningest team from like '90 to '03 was going to hit rock bottom. "Favre is going to retire." "The Packers are going to lose the division...blah blah blah..." If you keep saying the same thing, year after year, eventually you are going to be right. It's not everyone in the media...it's the self proclaimed experts. There are real journalists (not GB journalists) that don't think the Packers are going to be as horrible as you all predict.

-I wrote my analysis of the game.

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

Digger,

To say that last year was rock bottom for the pack's o-line would be an optimistic look to say the least. You have Rookies on the line trying to block an aging and suddenly not very mobile quarterback. Rookies....and Rookie o-lineman pretty much fukn blow.

You can keep your optimism, I'll stick with reality, and the reality of this situation is that the packers o-line is going to completely fukn suk and make Favres decision to come back and try to make something happen this year a very very bad one.

Hey dont take it from me take it from Brett.

mmm hmmm yup... they pretty much suck real fukn bad.

Grave Digger · Head Dick

GoBearsGalason wrote:

Digger,

To say that last year was rock bottom for the pack's o-line would be an optimistic look to say the least. You have Rookies on the line trying to block an aging and suddenly not very mobile quarterback. Rookies....and Rookie o-lineman pretty much fukn blow.

You can keep your optimism, I'll stick with reality, and the reality of this situation is that the packers o-line is going to completely fukn suk and make Favres decision to come back and try to make something happen this year a very very bad one.

Hey dont take it from me take it from Brett.

mmm hmmm yup... they pretty much suck real fukn bad.

As I stated, we had a rookie starting last year, a 7th rounder. He fukin blew. Adrian Klemm started at LG for most of the season...he REALLY blew (worse than any rookie). When Mike Flanagan was out of the lineup, Scott Wells was the center. When Flanagan was back, Klemm got the boot in favor of Wells. Klemm was horrible. Rookie Daryn Colledge, heck probably even rookie Tony Moll (I know what your thinking, who?) is better than Klemm. Jason Spitz is much better than Will Whitticker in every facit of the game.

Pigskin Pauly · Half A Man

GoBearsGalason wrote:

You can keep your optimism, I'll stick with reality, and the reality of this situation is that the packers o-line is going to completely fukn suk and make Favres decision to come back and try to make something happen this year a very very bad one.

Technically that would be your opinion. But your a Bear fan, so maybe you don't know the difference. Reality is more like how the Packers have 3 Lombardi trophies to the Bears lonely one.

-- Edited by Pigskin Pauly at 23:05, 2006-08-16

lost in iowa · Head Dick

I see you refer to the past....future just to grim?

Pigskin Pauly · Half A Man

lost in iowa wrote:

I see you refer to the past....future just to grim?

Fair enough. I'll refer to the future if it'll make you happy.

Call me crazy, but I predict that after this season the Packers will still have more Lombardi trophies than the bears.

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

Thats like a no legged man bragging that he used run a 4.3 40.

Good luck this year Packer fans.

WAH WAH WAAAAAAAH.

lost in iowa · Head Dick

ah.....the past. best you talk about that because your future looks a bit cloudy....

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

I think by cloudy you mean cloudy water, as in 3 or 4 pounds of dog sh1t mixed with post gumbo diharrea frappe'd in a toilet bowl, then I would have to agree.

lost in iowa · Head Dick

I tend towards understatement....

Pigskin Pauly · Half A Man

lost in iowa wrote:

I tend towards understatement....

You really haven't said anything at all. "Future looks a bit cloudy"? Plagiarizing your Magic 8-Ball hardly qualifies as understatement.

-- Edited by Pigskin Pauly at 16:13, 2006-08-17

Pigskin Pauly · Half A Man

lost in iowa wrote:

I see you refer to the past........

Of course we do. History and tradition are an important part of any team's culture. Well, unless your team sucks.

Pigskin Pauly · Half A Man

GoBearsGalason wrote:

Thats like a no legged man bragging that he used run a 4.3 40.

Maybe you're being a little hypocritical here. Haven't we all heard the stories over and over again from bear fans:

Da 85 Bears
Did-ka
Da Fridge
Da Superbowl Shuffle - Hey der, wasn't dat classy?

Pigskin Pauly · Half A Man

GoBearsGalason wrote:

Thats like a no legged man bragging that he used run a 4.3 40.

And leave Mike Brown out of this.