Farve must go

Christopher Wallace · Head Dick

RE: Farve must go

BillSwerski · Kick Asser

Grave Digger wrote:

Bolivar wrote:

By no means would I lay all the Pack's problems at Favre's doorstep. My point is that far too many times Brett is part of the problem rather than part of the solution. And this goes back further than six years, certainly further than the last two seasons when Green Bay has stunk so badly (like so much of the rest of the league). One only has to look at the results of his team's most recent playoff appearances. There was that catastrophe against St Louis where he threw six INTs. There were playoff losses at home to Atlanta and Minnesota where Favre's picks wrecked any chance the Packers had in those games. And then there was the overtime loss two years ago in Philadelphia, where on the very first play from scrimmage in OT Favre threw a totally uncalled for desperation heave that was intercepted, and that pick led to Philly's winning score. Call it desperation or frustration, those were not the plays of a great clutch player, they were more what you'd see from an inexperienced rookie.

So playoff appearences mean that the team stunk? How could they have stunk and still made the playoffs? A crappy playoff team......isn't that an oxymoron?? Obviously the 3 consecutive division crowns don't mean much.

I suppose his 30+ 4th quarter comebacks mean nothing at all......nothing......bad games are the only thing that count when Favre is discussed. Or his MVP-like season in '01 (I think it was '01)......the year Kurt Warner won it when really Favre should have.....guess that doesn't count either. He average and 85.1 rating over that 6 year period......everyone's beloved Donovan McNabb has done the same over the same period.

My point is.....no, my question is, why can't people except that Brett Favre is one of the greatest QBs in the history of football, he's a first ballot hall of famer, hes in the top 10 in almost every major passing record (most of them top 5), and he's a nice guy to boot. He's gotten so much sh1t this year its COMPLETELY SICKENING!! So go on, hate the guy for no reason........your wrong for hating him, but go ahead. He's done nothing wrong in his career....when he has done something wrong, he takes the blame. He doesn't throw teammates under the bus either.

I hate to be blunt, but after years of hearing an outpouring of accolades (even when hes not on the field)...especially from Madden, Mr. Favre is finally getting a little negative press. Those of us who have had to put up with the accolades (which have been SICKENING in it's own right), are getting a bit of a laugh out of the negatives... Obviously it works in the opposite direction, and you and the rest of the nation who are Favre supporters aren't pleased.

As a Bears fan, I will cry no river. I don't like him. I, however, I'll give him his due when he finally retires. Until then, he is a nemesis to root against.

The best judges of Mr. Favre best not be from GB or CHI...we are biassed in polar opposite directions. What those folks seem to be saying are, yes, he's a great QB, but it is time to hang it up. He's not doing himself (other than the stat padding), or his team much good.

The agruments of all time greats, etc are really for another discussion. This is one of should Favre hang it up, and I think a good majority beileve he should. He's competant, etc...but he's not going anywhere except the record book. And people hav e ageneral negativity of getting records for recrods sake. If you're on your way to trying to get your team to the big game, then rock on! If not, it looks a wee bit selfish.

Grave Digger · Head Dick

Why is it sickening when a guy does well? People said good things about him because he did good things. Players that don't do good things don't get good things said about him.

I don't understand why it's selfish to not want to retire? The guy wants to keep working. So what. Drew Bledsoe needs to retire. As does Steve McNair. As does Mark Brunell. Those guys are taking reps away from young QBs who are the future of their organizations as well. Don't hear you all b1tching and moaning about them. The only thing I have heard from NFL players about whether or not he should retire is that he should and could still play a couple more years. So why do you think he should retire? Why should he give up his dream because you want him to?

So he's taking reps away from Aaron Rodgers.....boo hoo. Phil Rivers sat behind Drew Brees for how many years? 3 or 4? Look at him, he's perfectly fine. Sometimes it helps to learn and mature before you actually go, especially when your playing QB in the NFL.

Christopher Wallace · Head Dick

You don't understand because your a packer fan.

The rest of the NFL fans had this a$$clown force-fed and slammed down our throats so bad it was horrible.

Please retire and rot in Louisiana and get off my fu*kin TV screen.

Unless it's playoff highlights of the packers from 2000-2005.

-- Edited by Christopher Wallace at 16:34, 2006-10-24

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

Kinda have to agree with Wallace on this one Digger. We've been so peppered with this jackass for so many years, that his name is a swear word in my house.

FAvre you.

Go fukn Favre yourself.

And when Madden says it....as in every single broadcast he finds a way to tie him in, I want to cut my fukn wrists...

It's time for Rodgers fer****sakes. The Packers are bad...and don't have a lick of a chance to do any damage in the NFC north.

Oh bye the way. The Wildcard is going to come out of the North this year. How funny is that.

Grave Digger · Head Dick

Get on Google video and watch one of the Frank Caliendo videos. One of the things he says is something like.....

"....it seems like John Madden has a bet going that he can't work Brett Favre into everything.....so he says things like (in his dead on John Madden voice), 'See there thats hybrid grass, half of it is real and half is fake, but ya know Brett Favre is all real, you could cut both of Brett's arms off and both his legs and he'd still be the best torso in the NFL....haha you owe me 50 bucks a$$hole!!!'"

It's something similar to that......it's hilarious.

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

Caliendo is funny as hell. One of the greatest impersonators I have ever heard. His John Madden is the best I've ever heard.

On the Mac Jurko and Harry Show (ESPN radio) they do a skit called Monday night John where this guy interviews for about a half hour. Its great.

Bolivar · Half A Man

"My point is.....no, my question is, why can't people except that Brett Favre is one of the greatest QBs in the history of football"

I have no trouble accepting that Favre is a great QB. The record speaks for itself. But I also believe that he's overrated (and I said that long before this season). Simply put, he hasn't been nearly as good after his last Super Bowl appearance as he was before it. He has simply thrown too many passes to the wrong team in big games. This record also speaks for itself. My problem is more with the media hype Favre receives than with the player himself. Any other QB in the league has those kind of performances in playoff games (and important regular season games) would be filleted and fried. But somehow, Brett gets a free pass. I've been on other message boards where contributors have tried to sell Favre as THE greatest QB of all time, which is just utter nonsense. Frankly, I don't think Brett Favre, as good as he is, is even the best quarterback in Packer history.

Jhuber · One Testicle Guy

Bolivar wrote:

"My point is.....no, my question is, why can't people except that Brett Favre is one of the greatest QBs in the history of football"

I have no trouble accepting that Favre is a great QB. The record speaks for itself. But I also believe that he's overrated (and I said that long before this season). Simply put, he hasn't been nearly as good after his last Super Bowl appearance as he was before it. He has simply thrown too many passes to the wrong team in big games. This record also speaks for itself. My problem is more with the media hype Favre receives than with the player himself. Any other QB in the league has those kind of performances in playoff games (and important regular season games) would be filleted and fried. But somehow, Brett gets a free pass. I've been on other message boards where contributors have tried to sell Favre as THE greatest QB of all time, which is just utter nonsense. Frankly, I don't think Brett Favre, as good as he is, is even the best quarterback in Packer history.

Haha, favre has barely played more games than Bart Star and more than doubled every major statistic of his. Favre arguably is the best QB of all time, a case can easily be made for him. But i wont go that far, i will put him in the top 5. Everyone talks **** about all they hear about is favre, well guess what! you hear about him because he is indeed that good, and he does it facing adversity, such as one of the best single game performances EVER by throwing 400 yards and 4 TDs less than 24 hours after his father passes, leading the NFL in TD throws while playing with a broken thumb on his throwing hand, upseting alabama in a bowl game after having 30in of his intestines removed after a near fatal car crash and a doctor saying he will never play again, proving scouts wrong who said he couldnt play more than 5 years because of a chronic hip pointer condition (proving them wrong? understatment) and how about winning the super bowl less than a year after fighting a major addiction and spending most of the offseason in rehab?(lets not forget before he checked into rehab his words were "im going to fight this, im coming back and we're going to win a super bowl)

So eat favre's ****.

Hate on favre all you want dirty ass holes, id be pissed if he wasnt on my team as well.

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

Lets not confuse. Favre is inarguably one of the top 3 QB's of all time. Statistically speaking and otherwise.

The guy leads most major statistical categories, the guy won and lost the big dance..The guy never fukn missed a start. I mean cummon already the guy was good...Might have been close to the best.

Don't make your assessments based upon Favres current capacity, look at his body of work....

Grave Digger · Head Dick

GoBearsGalason wrote:

Lets not confuse. Favre is inarguably one of the top 3 QB's of all time. Statistically speaking and otherwise.

The guy leads most major statistical categories, the guy won and lost the big dance..The guy never fukn missed a start. I mean cummon already the guy was good...Might have been close to the best.

Don't make your assessments based upon Favres current capacity, look at his body of work....

Was that a compliment to a Packer?

In the words of Steve Stiffler...........I hate not hating you....

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

That is a complement. Though He has deep dicked the Bears for over a decade, you have to give the bastard his props. Every fukn year we prayed that he got knocked out of the game so we would have a chance. Not only did the jackass not get hurt, he really stuck it deep.

The fact that he posted up awe inspiring stats (some good some bad) and didn't miss a game doing it puts him way up front in an elite category. To argue that is just pointless. The guy was able to finish a season too.

Though it does get a little putrid hearing all of the references and air handjobs the guy gets still, most of it is deserving.

And though he could still be effective on a good team, alas he is not such a team. Having said that, to stick around at this point only hurts the development of the organization that he has almost single handedly carried on his shoulders for many years. Again, nothing against his abilities current or past, its just better that the Aaron Rodgers era start now from scratch rather than just hanging on for statistical greatness.....which is both he and this team is at.

Jhuber · One Testicle Guy

GoBearsGalason wrote:

That is a complement. Though He has deep dicked the Bears for over a decade, you have to give the bastard his props. Every fukn year we prayed that he got knocked out of the game so we would have a chance. Not only did the jackass not get hurt, he really stuck it deep.

The fact that he posted up awe inspiring stats (some good some bad) and didn't miss a game doing it puts him way up front in an elite category. To argue that is just pointless. The guy was able to finish a season too.

Though it does get a little putrid hearing all of the references and air handjobs the guy gets still, most of it is deserving.

And though he could still be effective on a good team, alas he is not such a team. Having said that, to stick around at this point only hurts the development of the organization that he has almost single handedly carried on his shoulders for many years. Again, nothing against his abilities current or past, its just better that the Aaron Rodgers era start now from scratch rather than just hanging on for statistical greatness.....which is both he and this team is at.

Wow, that means alot coming from a bears fan, i want every favre hater to take note to what he said. Favre IS great, and though he could do well on another team, i commend him for being loyal to his team, wich is another thing that seperates him from other athletes.

Just for the record, yes i am a packers fan, and yes i am glad the bears are good - because if the packers suck someone has to win the division. I hate the vikings with a passion and the lions are just faggots, atleast i have respect for the bears and the GSH and Lombardi era.

But i have to disagree, i think putting a young QB in on a bad team only ruins his confidence. Wich is why i think Rivers, Roethlisbergr and Manning are all having success. And for say... careers of many top 5 pick QBs were ruined.

Christopher Wallace · Head Dick

Lord Farve = Turnover waiting to happen

Pink Taco Stadium · Mr. Big Nuts

Jhuber wrote:

GoBearsGalason wrote:

That is a complement. Though He has deep dicked the Bears for over a decade, you have to give the bastard his props. Every fukn year we prayed that he got knocked out of the game so we would have a chance. Not only did the jackass not get hurt, he really stuck it deep.

The fact that he posted up awe inspiring stats (some good some bad) and didn't miss a game doing it puts him way up front in an elite category. To argue that is just pointless. The guy was able to finish a season too.

Though it does get a little putrid hearing all of the references and air handjobs the guy gets still, most of it is deserving.

And though he could still be effective on a good team, alas he is not such a team. Having said that, to stick around at this point only hurts the development of the organization that he has almost single handedly carried on his shoulders for many years. Again, nothing against his abilities current or past, its just better that the Aaron Rodgers era start now from scratch rather than just hanging on for statistical greatness.....which is both he and this team is at.

Wow, that means alot coming from a bears fan, i want every favre hater to take note to what he said. Favre IS great, and though he could do well on another team, i commend him for being loyal to his team, wich is another thing that seperates him from other athletes.

Just for the record, yes i am a packers fan, and yes i am glad the bears are good - because if the packers suck someone has to win the division. I hate the vikings with a passion and the lions are just faggots, atleast i have respect for the bears and the GSH and Lombardi era.

But i have to disagree, i think putting a young QB in on a bad team only ruins his confidence. Wich is why i think Rivers, Roethlisbergr and Manning are all having success. And for say... careers of many top 5 pick QBs were ruined.

I agree with much of what your saying, and the Galason post kind of blew me away there, but one point that i disagree on, and whether or not rodgers should start isnt it. Quarterback that are good are good and that are bad are bad. I hear all sorts of confidence talk and that bullsh*t but that doesnt mean ****.. roethlisberger started his rookie year, as did manning Pittsburg went a rediculous 15-1 that year, but what were the Giants? 6-10. Is that a good team?, Manning is fine, Mr Motorcycle i find a bit overrated. But my all time proof that throwing them in early doesnt do **** to confidence, even if they only win three games and throw 20 some interceptions. Peyton Manning. The top five quarterbacks your talking about (i am assumeing) Leaf, Couch, Smith, ect, are most of the time system quarterbacks with good arms, but no skill at reading from the pocket in tight coverage. Kentucky was like that, Oregon was like that (way to go tedford) Ryan Leaf might not have been, but whatever. The point is a young quarterbacks confidence being ruined? If it was te bad team that made the QB's bad, they would still be in the NFL somewhere.

P.S. Im a packers fan too, and I hate the vikings way more than the bears. Id rather the bears go 16-0 than the vikings make the playoffs. but its because i live in minnesota

Christopher Wallace · Head Dick

Yeah, overrated even though he tore up the Bungals, Colts, and Donkeys in a row..........

Pink Taco Stadium · Mr. Big Nuts

it isnt that he doesnt get stats, but when charlie batch can come in and do just as well as you do... come on. Is charlie batch really a top 15 quarterback?

Grave Digger · Head Dick

Big Ben was a bad example because he walked into Pittsburgh where they had the best defense in the league. One of the best running attacks, and one of the best WRs. It would have been hard for him to fail. Now, he's good, don't get me wrong, but I think he is/was more in the right place at the time right time.

Peyton started on a sh1tty Colts team back in '98. He is an exceptional QB though. I remember his days at Tennessee. I didn't expect that to shake him.

Eli walked into a good situation too. The Giants didn't have to go 6-10....they were better than their record. Eli was nervous, and if he had been better, the team would have done better.

My example stands, look at Phil Rivers. He's in the same situation as Rodgers. He sat behind Brees for 3 or 4 seasons. He learned exactly what to do, and is fine. Now, it really helps him that he has LT to take pressure off him, and Gates to catch his passes, but he has done fine. Letting Rodgers sit for 2 seasons does nothing but let him learn from a hall of famer. Favre is a great in-game manager. He's been around long enough to know what to do in what situations. Rodgers is learning that. I don't see it as a bad thing.

Oh, and Favre only has 5 INTs, tied with the great Donovan McNabb, and 2 less than the beloved Rex Grossman. The INT machine isn't working properly this year.

-- Edited by Grave Digger at 09:51, 2006-10-25

GoBearsGalason · Head Dick

But i have to disagree, i think putting a young QB in on a bad team only ruins his confidence. Wich is why i think Rivers, Roethlisbergr and Manning are all having success. And for say... careers of many top 5 pick QBs were ruined.

Your statement is wrong in Rodger's case, as he is in his third year.

Not all Qbs have the luxury of walking into the perfect situation. And not all good quarterbacks started off on good teams . (I won't go through the list because it is way too long).

He is not a rookie Huber. If he doesn't possess the ability or confidence to take over this team in its current form and perform to the best of his abilities, I'd rather know that now before the next draft, as there a few decent QB's coming out this year which you may want to take a flyer on.

Pink Taco Stadium · Mr. Big Nuts

Not to beat a dead horse, which is exactly what im going to do, but i figured i would throw out some interception stats.

Brett Favre 5 INT in 7 Games

Drew Brees 7 in 7; Kitna 9 in 7; Eli Manning 8 in 7; Rex Grossman 7 in 7; JP Losman; 6 in 7; Hasselback 7 in 6; David Carr 5 in 7; Charlie Frye 11 in 7; Leftwich 5 in 6; Bledsoe 7 in 6; Pennington 8 in 8; Ben Roethlesberg 11 in 7; Steve McNair 7 in 7; Harrington 7 in 3; Donovan McNabb 5 in 7, Vick 5 in 7; WArner 5 in 5; Jake Plummer 7 in 7; Alex Smith, 5 in 7 andrew Walter 9 in 5.

Peyton-2in 7 Bulger-1in 7 Brunell-3in 7 Palmer-4in 7 Tom Brady-3 in 7 Johnson-4 in 6. Jake Delhomme 4 in 6; Damon huard 1 in 4.

My point is that Brett Favre the interception machine, while true last year, is offbase this year. Hes playing very well, and Id rather the Pack go 8 and 8 with an old QB, than 4-12 with a young one (not predicting, just hypothetical).

Vanni9283 · Head Dick

It appears as if Lord Favre has been starting to play a little-bit better over the past couple of weeks. Seems as if the Pack has put a couple of wins together!

Jhuber · One Testicle Guy

favre, even though he only posted 180 yards and 1TD, played pretty much flawless today, he scored on a run (first time in 5 years) when normaly he would of forced a pass in that situation, he also had two dropped passes in the end zone and ahman green was tackled at the 1 yard line on a pass play, so as far as im concerned favre easily should of had a 3TD no INT day - not to mention a 50 yard pass (a picture perfect pass none the less) to driver was negated by a holding penalty that really didnt help anything anyways.

If you ask me, the packers will be at .500 next week, alive (not by much) in the playoff picture and favre deserves some consideration for the pro bowl (so far, last year he looked good in the first half, only for a really really special secondhalf of the season)

Grave Digger · Head Dick

I really didn't think it was possible, but Mike McCarthy has done an excellent job keeping Favre under control. Favre is making good decisions and isn't forcing it. Finally we have a run game that can take pressure off Favre.

This team is set up very well for the future also. 19 rookies, 6 that are starting, and around 6 that are #2 on the depth chart. We have 5 second year players starting and doing well, and probably 4 more that have 5 or less years of experience.

Watch out for the Packers in the future!!!

Pink Taco Stadium · Mr. Big Nuts

Christopher Wallace wrote:

Yeah, overrated even though he tore up the Bungals, Colts, and Donkeys in a row..........

Yeah.then throws 4 interceptions to the Raiders.

stevo · One Testicle Guy

those who argue that favre should hang it up, say that packer fans are living in the past.

but if we're talking about the present....Favre has 10TD/5int....everything else is in the past....everything.

Bottom line...Rodgers has to push Favre out. He hasn't done that yet. What good is giving him the job? If he can't beat out a 37 year old then should he be starting?

And don't give me that crap that....Favre is too big to bench. We all saw what happened with Joe Montana. Yeah he got hurt, but we all saw how Young was creeping up on him with just fabolous play in the preseason and you would always hear about him lighting it up in practice.

Rodgers hasn't done that yet. You don't hear any whispers of him being great and he didn't tear up preseason.

The Favre haters don't have a leg to stand on right now.

stevo · One Testicle Guy

crickets......

fans on this board don't know how to form their own argument. they only know how to quote florio as gospel...lol.

"Well Mike doesn't like Brett so he's a t urd...." hhahahahahahahahaha

fans on this site are pathetic. go to your PFT archives and try and formulate an argument.

BillSwerski · Kick Asser

stevo wrote:

crickets......

fans on this board don't know how to form their own argument. they only know how to quote florio as gospel...lol.

"Well Mike doesn't like Brett so he's a t urd...." hhahahahahahahahaha

fans on this site are pathetic. go to your PFT archives and try and formulate an argument.

Hey Steve-o, I liked your work in "Jackass"....

Favre is doing better. Yes. He's had a little more time to gel with his team and he's played a bunch of powder puffs. I'm a bit suprised and I'll give him credit for not being a pick machine right now like he was last year. But, we all know that can turn around in a few games as well. But I still stand by my opinion that he should hang it up. Many will disagree, but many will agree. That team is not going anywhere in the NEAR future. They have potential in about 2-3 years I believe, but in the next year or so, they will be maybe a wild card at BEST. meanwhile, when Bret finally hangs it up, they will have to re-build again with a new QB. Why not start now and get a jump on it? Send him off into the sunset...or tractor. It's better than on a stretcher. The law of averages tends to catch up with everyone.

lost in iowa · Head Dick

The Bears will make that retirement decision for him.....and a stretcher could well be the vehicle he leaves on.

Jhuber · One Testicle Guy

I love how everyone talks about Favre "leaving on a stretcher" uh... lets see he hasnt missed a game in oh i dont know 16 years... no matter how beat up he gets. Yet everyone wants to predict an injury every week. Thats OK, i want to see Peyton Manning get a career ending injury so i guess im no better than you douche bags.

stevo · One Testicle Guy

I understand your side of the argument, but it assumes that Rodgers is a guarantee to be a stud. Lost in Iowa will tell you, that it's not that easy.

The right way for things to go down is for Rodgers to push Favre into retirement. But he hasn't overly impressed coaches yet. Besides if Favre comes back next year the packers are a possible playoff team.

Also part of rebuilding is young guys learning to win and gaining confidence. The worst thing that can happen is that a team slips into a losing culture. Favre may keep the team away from that at crucial time in the development of a lot of players.